Feature request: possibility to change Steam Group/Curator Page name.

[KABRUTUS]

Hello, I'm the owner of the Sweet Baby Inc. detected group/curator page. Right now I'm working on a rebranding of all my social medias, website and that also includes the group/curator page.
store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017/

It would be of a high value for me to be able to change it's name, and since It is a very basic feature I think that it in fact should be available by default.

Please consider adding it or at the very least helping me with changing the Steam group/curator page name.

Thanks.

[Tanoomba]

War_Muffin님이 먼저 게시:

I believe it is disingenuous to try to claim this as astroturfing.

First definition I found:
the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public.
That seems to be exactly what is happening here. Even you acknowledge that the response to OP's suggestion is not an organic expression of interest coming from people who happen to agree with him, but rather from people that want to further the group's cause.

War_Muffin님이 먼저 게시:

This is a community dedicated to a common goal and one that has joined under a group that decided to expand on the things it covers, hence the need to re-brand.

That's exactly what makes it astroturfing.
I mean, I understand why they would respond this way and why they would make efforts to sound as innocuous and generic as possible. After all, this is a group that for all intents and purposes was created as part of a hate campaign and was only allowed to continue existing after wiping out all discussion and scrubbing any reference to the goals of those involved and the rhetoric they make common use of. So, at OP's request, these members are on their best behavior, trying to progress towards their goals without openly acknowledging them, nudging and winking at each other while they marvel at what an amazing idea changing a group name would be.

War_Muffin님이 먼저 게시:

While I don't think I will be creating and then renaming steam Groups/Curator pages anytime soon, what KABRUTUS is doing is something I believe is helping me and my community, so I see co-signing a request by him as the least I could to to help him help me.

I'm sure everyone else here has the same or similar reasoning.

Exactly. There is no way Valve is unaware of this (having played an active role in getting the group into the state it needed to be in to remain on Steam), so I honestly can't see the number of responses in this thread actually having any effect on anything. On the other hand, no real harm is being done either, so I guess it's fine.

[Tanoomba]

War_Muffin님이 먼저 게시:

The easiest example I can give is how SBI Dectected got popular in the first place, it was because employee's of Sweet Baby Inc tried to get the page shut down.

To be fair, they were explicitly targeted by a hate campaign that went out of its way to try to ruin them. Valve agreed, which is why the group had to go scorched Earth and remove all discussion (since pretty much any discussion made the group's nature and intent very clear). The group in its current state pretty much exists as a front now, an innocuous facade that by necessity needs to hide its beliefs and goals.

[Tanoomba]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

This is precisely the intended behavior of the suggestions board.

Yeah, no, it's not.

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

This behavior is precisely what Valve support asks for when they direct people to post here.

Again, no.

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

If the actual members of the community wanting the change counts as astroturfing, what possibly could NOT be considered astroturfing?

Random community members seeing the topic then agreeing because they are genuinely invested in the suggestion. That's how it's supposed to work.

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

What is the definition of astroturfing?

the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public.

[Boblin the Goblin]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

Good thing none of that was said or implied for anyone reading in good faith.

[Boblin the Goblin]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

They don't have a curator page. The only curator pages that mention SBI are the two that OP owns. Which is one curator and one group.

yes sbi does have a curator group, its been hidden, since they had rule breaking comments reported and didnt want the curator group to chance being taken down due to reports.

are you really trying to make up more stuff, even more so on something everyone knows about?

That wasn't the SBI group. That was the curator OP made.

He disabled comments/discussion because of mass flagging after people would intentionally post rule-breaking stuff.

SBI never had a curator or group.

You actually can't set a group to 'hidden'.

[Feracitus]

+1 this should've been possible from the start, its such a basic feature really!

[Vivi]

This should be a feature. Over time groups evolve and the focus may need to be redefined to actually convey what the group has adapted to.

[Reuben]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

Reuben님이 먼저 게시:

I never said that I disliked them. I agree with filtering out DEI games via the curator and I'd like to have the ability to change account usernames and group names.

But it's still astroturfing to ask for support outside of this thread to bump it up and +1 it as it's not from grassroots, most of them are only here because of the OP advertising it elsewhere.

To be clear, if OP posted his request here without advertising it and it got natural support (unlikely given other similar threads), then it would have a better chance of Valve considering the request as it wouldn't be considered spam.

What OP has effectively done is damage the chance for the feature to happen.

You do not know the criteria from which Valve selects which suggestions to read. Nothing done here constitutes either spam or astroturfing. This is precisely the intended behavior of the suggestions board. Everything here is contained to one thread so you cannot even convict their behavior on that. The users here are members of the community that would benefit from the change. It is just as absurd to suggest this fits any meaningful definition of astroturfing to suggest this traffic is caused by a bot farm. This behavior is precisely what Valve support asks for when they direct people to post here. So there is no reasonable way to assume he is "damaging" his chances except if Valve had not foreseen what they were asking of users when they directed them to an open forum.

Its not like the posts here have any more informational content to whether Valve will implement a suggestion than literally any other discussion on this board. Non Valve employee opinions aren't any different than what you call "spam" here from their point of view.

If the actual members of the community wanting the change counts as astroturfing, what possibly could NOT be considered astroturfing? What is the definition of astroturfing?

Astroturfing:
Organized activity that is intended to create a false impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising, grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to something but that is in reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or organization.

This thread and its contents is a perfect example of the term.

[Sondardo]

I do agree that this thread has seemingly been artificially inflated by members of the SBI detected group, to make the issue bigger than it is. As there's a lot of users in this thread that never posted here before.

But I digress, back to the topic.

After giving it some thoughts, I'm not against the suggestion, so long that there's some kind of restrictions, or easy to find history about the name change to diminish instances of scamming, fraud, etc. Other than that, I'm not against groups having the ability to occasionally change name, it could be useful to the people using them.

What I am wondering though.... What new name does your group want to have? SBI Detected is a pretty good name for your purpose, it's a pretty clear and effective name already, so I'm wondering.

And while I don't agree with your group, so long that you're lawful and follow the rules and don't stir unnecessary troubles or extremist actions, you are obviously allowed to exist. You've all been exemplary polite for the most part, which honestly surprised me, so that's commendable, if a bit uncanny at times at how focused you all are.

[William Shakesman]

Reuben님이 먼저 게시:

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

You do not know the criteria from which Valve selects which suggestions to read. Nothing done here constitutes either spam or astroturfing. This is precisely the intended behavior of the suggestions board. Everything here is contained to one thread so you cannot even convict their behavior on that. The users here are members of the community that would benefit from the change. It is just as absurd to suggest this fits any meaningful definition of astroturfing to suggest this traffic is caused by a bot farm. This behavior is precisely what Valve support asks for when they direct people to post here. So there is no reasonable way to assume he is "damaging" his chances except if Valve had not foreseen what they were asking of users when they directed them to an open forum.

Its not like the posts here have any more informational content to whether Valve will implement a suggestion than literally any other discussion on this board. Non Valve employee opinions aren't any different than what you call "spam" here from their point of view.

If the actual members of the community wanting the change counts as astroturfing, what possibly could NOT be considered astroturfing? What is the definition of astroturfing?

Astroturfing:
Organized activity that is intended to create a false impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising, grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to something but that is in reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or organization.

This thread and its contents is a perfect example of the term.

Once again, I should remind you that just because you don't like them doesn't make them "controlled by a concealed group or organization." That people who are followers of the group who seeks a name change coming out to support a name change is somehow a duplicitous act is such a ridiculous stretch. NOBODY comes to this forum unless they are directed by support. What precisely would you have OP do? He says, "Okay I know I told you were are changing the name but, sorry guys, Steam told me we can't have a name change, but they told me to post on the suggestions board." People who are following this for updates are absolutely going to ask to go post on the suggestions board. Steam told him to do it themselves.

This is as predictable as clockwork. There is not a single group you could say no to who wouldn't do that, especially if they announced plans to name change previously.

[Reuben]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

Reuben님이 먼저 게시:

Astroturfing:
Organized activity that is intended to create a false impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising, grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to something but that is in reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or organization.

This thread and its contents is a perfect example of the term.

Once again, I should remind you that just because you don't like them doesn't make them "controlled by a concealed group or organization." That people who are followers of the group who seeks a name change coming out to support a name change is somehow a duplicitous act is such a ridiculous stretch. NOBODY comes to this forum unless they are directed by support. What precisely would you have OP do? He says, "Okay I know I told you were are changing the name but, sorry guys, Steam told me we can't have a name change, but they told me to post on the suggestions board." People who are following this for updates are absolutely going to ask to go post on the suggestions board. Steam told him to do it themselves.

This is as predictable as clockwork. There is not a single group you could say no to who wouldn't do that, especially if they announced plans to name change previously.

You didn't read my reply to you before the one you just quoted, refer back to it to see that I never said I didn't like them, it's quite the opposite. Are you a bad actor?

Nobody is contesting OP and his suggestion, rather the way he did it by promoting it on his social media platforms, this gives the illusion of massive support for the suggestion because of the influx of people agreeing with OP as a result of promoting the thread, but it's actually astroturfing, especially when similar threads over the years usually got nowhere.

[William Shakesman]

Reuben님이 먼저 게시:

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

Once again, I should remind you that just because you don't like them doesn't make them "controlled by a concealed group or organization." That people who are followers of the group who seeks a name change coming out to support a name change is somehow a duplicitous act is such a ridiculous stretch. NOBODY comes to this forum unless they are directed by support. What precisely would you have OP do? He says, "Okay I know I told you were are changing the name but, sorry guys, Steam told me we can't have a name change, but they told me to post on the suggestions board." People who are following this for updates are absolutely going to ask to go post on the suggestions board. Steam told him to do it themselves.

This is as predictable as clockwork. There is not a single group you could say no to who wouldn't do that, especially if they announced plans to name change previously.

You didn't read my reply to you before the one you just quoted, refer back to it to see that I never said I didn't like them, it's quite the opposite. Are you a bad actor?

Nobody is contesting OP and his suggestion, rather the way he did it by promoting it on his social media platforms, this gives the illusion of massive support but it's actually astroturfing.

That depends, you aren't reading my replies either it seems, so I don't see what possible grounds you have to hold me to that standard. I will simply repeat myself once more. The people following his social media and who care about this are also following the curator too. It literally CANNOT be an illusion by any definition because the ONLY people he has power over to ask to help with this are SPECIFICALLY the users impacted by the change or Valve's refusal to do so.

[Tanoomba]

Sondardo님이 먼저 게시:

What I am wondering though.... What new name does your group want to have? SBI Detected is a pretty good name for your purpose, it's a pretty clear and effective name already, so I'm wondering.

OP's Discord is called DEIDetected, so I'm guessing that's the name he wants to replace SBI Detected with. He wants to expand the movement to encompass more targets, since Sweet Baby Inc is not the only company "forcing DEI into video games" (his words).

[Tanoomba]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

The people following his social media and who care about this are also following the curator too. It literally CANNOT be an illusion by any definition because the ONLY people he has power over to ask to help with this are SPECIFICALLY the users impacted by the change or Valve's refusal to do so.

You're misunderstanding the definition. The "illusion" is that everyone is just acting like they stumbled upon this thread and happen to agree with the idea. They're trying to make it look organic and naturally-occurring when it is the opposite of that. That's what makes it astroturfing.

[Reuben]

William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:

Reuben님이 먼저 게시:

You didn't read my reply to you before the one you just quoted, refer back to it to see that I never said I didn't like them, it's quite the opposite. Are you a bad actor?

Nobody is contesting OP and his suggestion, rather the way he did it by promoting it on his social media platforms, this gives the illusion of massive support but it's actually astroturfing.

That depends, you aren't reading my replies either it seems, so I don't see what possible grounds you have to hold me to that standard. I will simply repeat myself once more. The people following his social media and who care about this are also following the curator too. It literally CANNOT be an illusion by any definition because the ONLY people he has power over to ask to help with this are SPECIFICALLY the users impacted by the change or Valve's refusal to do so.

So you're a bad actor then, I've made every effort to respond to you properly, you could have at least done the same.

I'm just going leave you with this thought experiment before I remove myself from this discussion entirely...

Let's say I have a following of hundreds of thousands of people and I really wanted cloud saving as default in every Steam game because it benefits my gaming setup for whatever I'm doing for my audience, I make a support ticket, I then get directed to this sub-forum and I make a thread and encourage my following to post on the thread in my favour, is that not astroturfing because I'm brute-forcing the importance of the feature that I want, when usually threads like these will die after a dozen or so replies with conflicting opinions?