Psymon² 15 MAY 2024 a las 13:02
leave placeholder for deleted messages
how about a fraction more transparency of what's going on, eh?
just a smidge.
just an eensy weensy tad.

leave a placeholder where a forum post was deleted.
don't say who posted it.
don't say why it was deleted.
do say if it was deleted by mod or by user... or don't, it's an idea, not a demand, chill.

just baby steps.
one itty bitty adjustment.
:D:
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Tito Shivan 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:29 
Publicado originalmente por ?legit:
Which isn't an uncommon practice.
I've seen it on Reddit and never found the utility of it.

Mind the fact that on certain areas with high post deletion volume (I'm thinking places like the Steam Family Sharing group where mods continuosly remove solciting threads) it generates more noise than info. You end up having to scroll three pages to get all the new threads a user sees on the first page.

I've had them been shown around for years and it becomes quite annoying quite fast. And it doesn't change that much in regards transparency for regular users who cannot see the post itself anyway.
Brian9824 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:42 
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
I don't think it's any worse than having pages and pages of literally two users arguing nonsense or having whole pages full "Blocked user".
Except pages full of "Blocked User" are the user's choice, your free to not block them and read the actual posts.






Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Publicado originalmente por ?legit:
Which isn't an uncommon practice.
I've seen it on Reddit and never found the utility of it.

Mind the fact that on certain areas with high post deletion volume (I'm thinking places like the Steam Family Sharing group where mods continuosly remove solciting threads) it generates more noise than info. You end up having to scroll three pages to get all the new threads a user sees on the first page.

I've had them been shown around for years and it becomes quite annoying quite fast. And it doesn't change that much in regards transparency for regular users who cannot see the post itself anyway.

Ack yeah if its on reddit then its a great reason to NOT do it here. Also yeah, I mean anyone who is active on the forum and sees moderation would know why its bad. I mean mods do bulk cleanup of threads and delete and ban spammers, then they delete the posts of people who quoted the spammer, and it can add up really fast.

If there was a post left every time a post was deleted it would just take even longer to read a thread. I mean is no one using common sense and thinking how annoying it would be to read post #1, then scroll down to post #9 before they can read the next post, then have to go thru 2 more pages of deleted comments to read post #31, then scroll thru more to get to post #39, etc. When instead of 5 pages a thread should be 1 page and 5 posts.



Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
You can condense them and not having them count towards the posts in pagination.
The entire point is the OP requested a placeholder aka a post be left behind when its deleted Even if they were collapsed like deleted threads it still makes the threads far more cluttered and harder to read, and its still ripe and incredibly easy to abuse by trollers who can just spam delete their own posts at will and clutter a thread.

All for no benefit as their is no value in knowing if someone elses post was deleted or not as you won't know the reason WHY it was deleted, or if the post even broke any rules.
The Commendatore 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:45 
Is this just another thread wanting Steam to become like Reddit?

You don't want that...
Zarineth 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:46 
Publicado originalmente por The Commendatore:
Is this just another thread wanting Steam to become like Reddit?

You don't want that...
I can agree with that. :ChibiColette:
Brian9824 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:47 
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Publicado originalmente por The Commendatore:
Is this just another thread wanting Steam to become like Reddit?

You don't want that...
I can agree with that. :ChibiColette:

Same, reddit having it is a good reason for steam to NOT have it.
William Shakesman 16 MAY 2024 a las 6:53 
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Publicado originalmente por ?legit:
Which isn't an uncommon practice.
I've seen it on Reddit and never found the utility of it.

Mind the fact that on certain areas with high post deletion volume (I'm thinking places like the Steam Family Sharing group where mods continuosly remove solciting threads) it generates more noise than info. You end up having to scroll three pages to get all the new threads a user sees on the first page.

I've had them been shown around for years and it becomes quite annoying quite fast. And it doesn't change that much in regards transparency for regular users who cannot see the post itself anyway.
Well.theoretically you would do as reddit does and not leave placeholders for delayed forum threads just replies. Still, it wouldn't be the first silly thing Valve did to make moderation more apparent as I continue to collect another 16 pages of "Action was taken on your report!" messages that I can never ever be allowed to delete.
Tito Shivan 16 MAY 2024 a las 7:04 
Publicado originalmente por William Shakesman:
Well.theoretically you would do as reddit does and not leave placeholders for delayed forum threads just replies.
I think that wouldn't fully satisfy the OP. And replies within threads can get equally messy, making you scroll through dozens of cleaned-up posts before getting to the meat of the discussion. I've been on subreddits where you have to scroll to the middle of the thread to stop seeing [removed] replies.
Boblin the Goblin 16 MAY 2024 a las 7:54 
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Publicado originalmente por William Shakesman:
Well.theoretically you would do as reddit does and not leave placeholders for delayed forum threads just replies.
I think that wouldn't fully satisfy the OP. And replies within threads can get equally messy, making you scroll through dozens of cleaned-up posts before getting to the meat of the discussion. I've been on subreddits where you have to scroll to the middle of the thread to stop seeing [removed] replies.
I wonder when people will stop using Reddit as an example for good forum UI/moderation.

It is almost the exact opposite.
The Commendatore 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:02 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
I think that wouldn't fully satisfy the OP. And replies within threads can get equally messy, making you scroll through dozens of cleaned-up posts before getting to the meat of the discussion. I've been on subreddits where you have to scroll to the middle of the thread to stop seeing [removed] replies.
I wonder when people will stop using Reddit as an example for good forum UI/moderation.

It is almost the exact opposite.
Probably never. It's an idea coming from people in specific groups who would love to abuse the downvote system Reddit has.
Thermal Lance 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:13 
Publicado originalmente por The Commendatore:
Is this just another thread wanting Steam to become like Reddit?

You don't want that...
Sounds like it really. I don't understand it either.
Psymon² 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:18 
as clarification, yes, I'd expect the "deleted by..." to be as narrow as the "blocked user" that all of us no doubt see in many threads.

therefore negligible impact to readability/clutter.

but lets not get distracted about how bad the "block" feature is... sigh.
Brian9824 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:23 
Publicado originalmente por Psymon²:
as clarification, yes, I'd expect the "deleted by..." to be as narrow as the "blocked user" that all of us no doubt see in many threads.

therefore negligible impact to readability/clutter.

but lets not get distracted about how bad the "block" feature is... sigh.

Not the same at all, blocked user is optional, and the user gets to decide. I have very few people blocked for instance so its very inobtrusive to me.

This would be out of the users control, very intrusive and forced onto users. In addition as repeatedly pointed out this is incredibly easy to exploit to troll, as well as not adding of value.

You know a post was deleted, congrats. That tells you nothing of value, you don't know whose post was deleted, you don't know why it was deleted, you don't even know if the post that was deleted broke any rules. Knowing a mod deleted 1 post, 10, posts, or 53,234,231 posts adds nothing of value.

Of course that is also completely ignoring that i've literally seen mods go thru threads and delete dozens of posts, people can have their entire last week of posting history nuked when they get community bans, and all the other scenarios that would result in massive spam from this idea without adding anything of value in exchange for it.
[?]legit 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:28 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
I think that wouldn't fully satisfy the OP. And replies within threads can get equally messy, making you scroll through dozens of cleaned-up posts before getting to the meat of the discussion. I've been on subreddits where you have to scroll to the middle of the thread to stop seeing [removed] replies.
I wonder when people will stop using Reddit as an example for good forum UI/moderation.

It is almost the exact opposite.
Yeah and that's literally just... your opinion.
Thermal Lance 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:29 
If it's a line like blocked users. I wouldn't mind. Even thought I seriously question the need for such a thing.
metamec 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:50 
Can't believe it took three pages for someone to drive the good ole RedditPanic bandwagon into the thread.
Última edición por metamec; 16 MAY 2024 a las 8:51
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