Remove the jester award. People have misused it.

[MrFoxly]

This steam award is to my knowledge, only used with malicious intent. People will slap it only on reviews or posts they don't like and want to belittle.

It's unfortunately gotten so bad, that people have been making troll posts just to farm steam points from the award.

I actually had to hide the awards on my profile because someone gave that profile the award for all to see.

With all this in mind, I believe it's best that the jester award has to be removed.

(Edit: and those jester awards that have been slapped on here only prove my point.)

[Pscht]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

And I didn't copy yours, I found my own online

I just hold the Windows key and the colon (dot) key.

[Amaterasu]

They should make the jester award a lot more points and EXP. I'd be flippin rich if that were the case. I don't know who my secret admirer is, but I thank them for helping me get to level 20 a lot faster.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Psymon²:

Originally posted by firebind2:

Also anyone want a reward? I got like 200,000 points and nothing to use them on.

what's crazy is, people can use emoji for free 🤡

Kind of like how right-wingers insult those who aren't on their fringe on social media?

[Crashed]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

They should make the jester award a lot more points and EXP. I'd be flippin rich if that were the case. I don't know who my secret admirer is, but I thank them for helping me get to level 20 a lot faster.

Since you troll across multiple game hubs, it could easily be dozens or more.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

They should make the jester award a lot more points and EXP. I'd be flippin rich if that were the case. I don't know who my secret admirer is, but I thank them for helping me get to level 20 a lot faster.

Since you troll across multiple game hubs, it could easily be dozens or more.

Define trolling, my friend.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

If you somehow cannot see that the primary use of the jester is to insult

That is your personal definition, a definition you have offered no proof it is used to insult by those giving the Jester award, as you cannot know what their intent is or was, unless they actually tell you.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

They can make up the rules but they can't make up new definitions for words as they see fit.

No awards are included under the Discussion Rules and Guidelines and/or Online Conduct, it is you personally adding the Jester to be included and defining it as an insult which is odd based on you like to use the term "people roleplaying as Steam employees".

The longer a discussion goes on these forums, the likelihood of the argument moving to "Define [common word everyone knows but put in 'scare quotes' to score rhetorical points]" approaches 100%.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Since you troll across multiple game hubs, it could easily be dozens or more.

Define trolling, my friend.

I didn't even LOOK at this post before writing that last reply lol

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Define trolling, my friend.

I didn't even LOOK at this post before writing that last reply lol

Except it wasn't in scare quotes. I'm genuinely curious as to what the personal definition of trolling is. Because his definition differs from mine and both of ours differ from the mods' definition.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

I didn't even LOOK at this post before writing that last reply lol

Except it wasn't in scare quotes. I'm genuinely curious as to what the personal definition of trolling is. Because his definition differs from mine and both of ours differ from the mods' definition.

Well I was more laughing at the synchronicity of the lines. Trolling is indeed far more subjective than insult. Calling someone a troll is more correctly itself an insult than a descriptive statement, especially given the common parlance often uses trolling interchangably with "posting things I disagree with," typically by people who have no experience with other cultural ways of thought beyond their own culture. To them, anything outside their experience is a "troll."

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

The longer a discussion goes on these forums, the likelihood of the argument moving to "Define [common word everyone knows but put in 'scare quotes' to score rhetorical points]" approaches 100%.

You define the Jester as an Insult which is personal opinion, in fact you state it is against the Discussion and Guidelines and/or Online Conduct and yet no awards are listed, which is odd when you like to define others as:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

To be fair, really, this forum is explicitly for people who aren't Valve employees to roleplay as such

[Amaterasu]

I haven't gotten jestered in a long while. I guess my secret admirer got bored.

[William Shakesman]

Originally posted by Sir:

Originally posted by Knee:

You really ought to figure out which side of the jester debate you’re on.

Exactly!

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Insults are against the rules. There is no wiggle room with this. The rules are plain as day. Steam holds that your intent is irrelevant if a post contains rule violating content. Therefore, even if you did not mean it as an insult, it is still a violation and you should be rightly banned.

The primary use of the jester is to insult. There is simply no reason to play coy and pretend it is not meant to insult. Nobody here is convinced by this.

The problem isn't in people being too sensitive, it is that the rules are clear on this and don't offer wiggle room, but everyone wants to pretend "no, they CANNOT POSSIBLY have meant all insults! My favorite word to call people cannot be an insult! I don't get mad at it so it cannot be an insult." Absolutely wrong. Your preferred exceptions don't apply. Insults are insults. Period. Most people here don't understand the rules or the moderation policies on Steam.

The reason these threads come up so often is that people are correctly noting a glaring contradiction where the rules are not enforced despite being extremely clear. The proper fix is to rewrite the rules.

Here he writes that jester/clown are primary insults. Really?

We must ask first the Valve/steam employee(s) who implemented these jester/clown awards,
what was the intent? Could well be meant as a fun award. Certainly not as an insult as it would go against their own rules.
So that is the number 1 reason.

The 2nd explanation is as per the Cambridge dictionary a synonym: fool.
The jester was a person, to made people laugh by telling jokes and being silly and funny.
Like in ancient times for example in courts, castles, markets and so on.
So if someone is writing silly, being a fool, you could give a jester award.
Could well be proposed with the intent to collect awards/points.

The 3rd explanation by a few others like "William Shakesman", seeing it as an insult, is far-fetched. If someone is stupid or an idiot by writing something stupid [in the eyes of the beholder] you could slam that person with a jester/clown award. With the idea, next time [hopefully] he/she write better after some thinking.

I am just writing this to show that there are more reasons... not just one, negative or not.

Caring about the original intent is pointless, especially in the modern milieu. There's a word that used to be slang for transmission if you asked any mechanic that if you used here you'd be banned so fast it'd make your head spin. Valve even agrees on that position: Your intent does not matter if the post contains rule breaking content. Ask them, they have a pre-written answer precisely for that.

The primary users of the jester are the users, and if they are using it as an insult, it is an insult, and I understand everyone wants to play coy about it, but if they called someone a clown or a fool directly in text they would be rightfully banned. There certainly exist use cases that are not intended as insults, but people who use jesters on contentious posts know exactly what they intend to say.

I don't know how many more times I need to say it but I am not arguing about the jester, I am arguing about the hardline no insults allowed rule. Once again, people push for hardline stances without thinking them through, and this is absolutely a situation where the rules create situations you didn't intend.

[Sir]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Sir:

Exactly!





Here he writes that jester/clown are primary insults. Really?

We must ask first the Valve/steam employee(s) who implemented these jester/clown awards,
what was the intent? Could well be meant as a fun award. Certainly not as an insult as it would go against their own rules.
So that is the number 1 reason.

The 2nd explanation is as per the Cambridge dictionary a synonym: fool.
The jester was a person, to made people laugh by telling jokes and being silly and funny.
Like in ancient times for example in courts, castles, markets and so on.
So if someone is writing silly, being a fool, you could give a jester award.
Could well be proposed with the intent to collect awards/points.

The 3rd explanation by a few others like "William Shakesman", seeing it as an insult, is far-fetched. If someone is stupid or an idiot by writing something stupid [in the eyes of the beholder] you could slam that person with a jester/clown award. With the idea, next time [hopefully] he/she write better after some thinking.

I am just writing this to show that there are more reasons... not just one, negative or not.

Caring about the original intent is pointless, especially in the modern milieu. There's a word that used to be slang for transmission if you asked any mechanic that if you used here you'd be banned so fast it'd make your head spin. Valve even agrees on that position: Your intent does not matter if the post contains rule breaking content. Ask them, they have a pre-written answer precisely for that.

The primary users of the jester are the users, and if they are using it as an insult, it is an insult, and I understand everyone wants to play coy about it, but if they called someone a clown or a fool directly in text they would be rightfully banned. There certainly exist use cases that are not intended as insults, but people who use jesters on contentious posts know exactly what they intend to say.

I don't know how many more times I need to say it but I am not arguing about the jester, I am arguing about the hardline no insults allowed rule. Once again, people push for hardline stances without thinking them through, and this is absolutely a situation where the rules create situations you didn't intend.

The original Valve/steam intent, is exactly the point, not pointless at all.
You cannot voice that "Valve even agrees" with your opinion.
A jester is not an insult.
Valve/steam and the Cambridge dictionary indicates it is not.
Only you and a few others think it is.
There you have it.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

You got 5, not bad. Also no those people need to be removed, and go back to reddit probably because they can't live without a downvore option.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by lankaras:

You got 5, not bad. Also no those people need to be removed, and go back to reddit probably because they can't live without a downvore option.

Anything could be a downvote option. Anything.