Steam should punish people who wrongfully accuse others of being Pirates.

[Amaterasu]

I already know how well this topic is going to go over and know it's likely going to get buried. But apparently, the discussion of piracy is against steam's Terms of Service. What else is also against Steam's terms of service is engaging in inflammatory behavior.

People in many topics only have one defense, calling people who dislike Denuvo and things like Denuvo pirates without any sort of evidence. Without anything to back it up. No matter if the evidence points to the contrary and 100% proves them wrong. They will die on this hill.

Yet when these kinds of post are reported to Steam, the reaction has basically been, "I see nothing wrong." And yet when you call these people out and they run to Steam... you eat a warning or a ban.

That's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up system that shows a clear bias and I'm sick of it.

[Crashed]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Hey look, you proved my point! "This person wants Denuvo gone, they must want to pirate it!"

No. I have other places to do this thing called "buy" a couple of games I was looking at. It's something you've probably never heard of, it's real new. You know, purchasin and all. The thing is... I don't want to buy them for PS4... I want to buy them on PC. I got options to legally attain the games, dear.

They said "There is no way majority wants denuvo to go for any other reason other than getting game for free." They did not accuse you of such a thing.

The majority of those who get exposed to those games have no issue; the term "vocal minority" comes to mind.

[Amaterasu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crashed:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

They said "There is no way majority wants denuvo to go for any other reason other than getting game for free." They did not accuse you of such a thing.

The majority of those who get exposed to those games have no issue; the term "vocal minority" comes to mind.

If 1 million people play X, 500,001 have no issue, but 499,999 have an issue and they speak out. That counts as a vocal minority.

Welcome to math. It ruins the vocal minority argument.

[Amaterasu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Hey look, you proved my point! "This person wants Denuvo gone, they must want to pirate it!"

No. I have other places to do this thing called "buy" a couple of games I was looking at. It's something you've probably never heard of, it's real new. You know, purchasin and all. The thing is... I don't want to buy them for PS4... I want to buy them on PC. I got options to legally attain the games, dear.

They said "There is no way majority wants denuvo to go for any other reason other than getting game for free." They did not accuse you of such a thing.

Not directly, no.

[Mad Scientist]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

They said "There is no way majority wants denuvo to go for any other reason other than getting game for free." They did not accuse you of such a thing.

Not directly, no.

You're making something out of nothing, they didn't even indirectly do so.
Let it go.

[76561198407601200]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Gwarsbane:

When ever any one accuses me of supporting piracy by wanting DRM removed from a game (and this has been done many times), I reply with something like....

If I wanted to pirate the game, then I would go pirate. I wouldn't be here asking for the use DRM that was broken for the game a long time ago to be removed. I want to BUY the game, if Denuvo was removed I would. I've had issues with other DRM in the past with software that I bought, which has made me dislike games that do not remove DRM after its been cracked and up on pirate sites.

If the DRM is not removed, I will not pirate it... I will also not buy the game, I will move on to something that interests me and tell others to avoid buying the game. Its as simple as that. I have bought many games after they have removed their DRM, I have games still on my wishlist for many years that still have Denuvo in them that I will not buy no matter how cheap they are.



That usually gets them to shut up about that. Specially pointing out that if I wanted to pirate I wouldn't be there asking for the DRM to be removed cause the DRM was already broken by that point.

Oh my god, this. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this. If I had the points for shut up and take my points, I would award it to this post, but I don't.

If I wanted to pirate a game, why the hell would I be on the Steam Forums,

I recall when people who pirated one of the batman games went to the forum stating a particular feature wasn't working which was a direct result of pirating the game.

[Karumati]

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Living Tribunal:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Oh my god, this. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this. If I had the points for shut up and take my points, I would award it to this post, but I don't.

If I wanted to pirate a game, why the hell would I be on the Steam Forums,

I recall when people who pirated one of the batman games went to the forum stating a particular feature wasn't working which was a direct result of pirating the game.

That sounds hilarious

[Crazy Tiger]

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Living Tribunal:

I recall when people who pirated one of the batman games went to the forum stating a particular feature wasn't working which was a direct result of pirating the game.

Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Living Tribunal:

I recall when people who pirated one of the batman games went to the forum stating a particular feature wasn't working which was a direct result of pirating the game.

Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

There was a game development game where if you pirated the game after a certain point your sales tanked from piracy and people were posting on the forums asking how they could stop pirates from taking all their profits....

[Crazy Tiger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.


Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

There was a game development game where if you pirated the game after a certain point your sales tanked from piracy and people were posting on the forums asking how they could stop pirates from taking all their profits....

Oh yeah, Game Dev Tycoon!!

[Sleepy Yoshi]

I don't disagree, but most of the time when someone says "once an x always an x" in response to someone's past behaviour, I tend to think it should be actionable. Moderation is anything but consistent though and there are some words that tend to slide even when they are very much meant to be derogatory. How often I've seen, liar, thrown around and gone unchecked being one such example.

[76561198407601200]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.

Diposting pertama kali oleh The Living Tribunal:

I recall when people who pirated one of the batman games went to the forum stating a particular feature wasn't working which was a direct result of pirating the game.

Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

I believe the mad max game had something as well where it would spawn some kind of unkillable enemy.

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.


Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

There was a game development game where if you pirated the game after a certain point your sales tanked from piracy and people were posting on the forums asking how they could stop pirates from taking all their profits....

Not sure how i forgot about this one, played it quite a bit and someone at the time I knew "had the game" was telling me about that same problem, after researching I saw it had to do with having a pirated copy, told him to buy it which he did.

[Crashed]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Didn't read the whole thread, but saw one linked thread which was a game hub. Game hubs are moderated by game devs and their appointed moderator teams. And yes, they can generally moderate as they like.


Same with a Football Manager version that only had the Thai language in the pirated version.

There are a few more of such examples, I quite like what those devs did. It was absolutely hilarious to see people outing themselves as pirates that way.

There was a game development game where if you pirated the game after a certain point your sales tanked from piracy and people were posting on the forums asking how they could stop pirates from taking all their profits....

At some point Garry's Mod had an anti-piracy system that would crash the game, and if you were to show the error code in the forums they'd ban you on the spot because you admitted to stealing the game.
DRM is used in that way in a more subtle way, giving developers and publishers the legal means to increase both civil and criminal penalties against infringements in the US, EU, Japan, and any other country that has ratified the WIPO treaties arounc circumvention.

[William Shakesman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Karumati:

There is no way majority wants denuvo to go for any other reason other than getting game for free.
Denuvo is not demanding for hardware to be crying about performance.

This sort of thing is typically said by people who do not play demanding action games. Unfortunately that is the majority these days.

[William Shakesman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sungoddess14:

Not directly, no.

You're making something out of nothing, they didn't even indirectly do so.
Let it go.

Unfortunately Steam moderation holds that a post can contain insulting or discriminatory content and thus merit a ban even if the user did not intend it. The standard for what consitutes an insult is not for you to decide, sorry.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh William Shakesman:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mad Scientist:

You're making something out of nothing, they didn't even indirectly do so.
Let it go.

Unfortunately Steam moderation holds that a post can contain insulting or discriminatory content and thus merit a ban even if the user did not intend it. The standard for what consitutes an insult is not for you to decide, sorry.

Wait, are you a Valve employee?