Harsher bans on bigotry

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Hi.

So, I've been noticing a lot of bigotry on the Steam forums lately, including instances of racism, homophobia, transphobia, and other forms of discrimination coming from various posts. I report them, but I feel as if the bans don't come fast enough or harsh enough on people who engage in this behavior.

I feel as if someone banned for bigotry should get a community-wide ban which lasts a few days, then a few months, then longer for each offence they make on the matter. I feel as if this would clean up the Steam forums and make them a more inclusive place to be in.

Cheers.

[Psymon²]

your observations are accurate.

being a blatant horrible person (to oversimplify the range of acts) can go unmoderated for days.
whereas calling out the those problems can result in moderation in minutes.

backwards and deeply concerning.
worst of all, it's been going on so long, it implies valve either doesn't care, or effectively supports it.

[William Shakesman]

Not necessary. Only a tiny but vocal minority of users have reported any issues with bigotry on the Steam forums. The current moderation practices are quite sufficient as is and almost nobody has any issue with them. Just report and block like an adult.

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

With a profile name like yours, I don't know what expectations you can have from others... Maybe it's time to choose another profile name?

[Pocahawtness]

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

Not necessary. Only a tiny but vocal minority of users have reported any issues with bigotry on the Steam forums. The current moderation practices are quite sufficient as is and almost nobody has any issue with them. Just report and block like an adult.

You can't know that. I mean, no disrespect, but you don't know how many reports there are, so you must be guessing.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ionut Catalin Frasineanu:

With a profile name like yours, I don't know what expectations you can have from others... Maybe it's time to choose another profile name?

OP didn't say they were receiving bad posts, they said they observed them.

[Start_Running]

The minute you start refering or considering someone else in the discussion ane 'ist or a 'phobe. It's time for you to step out of the discussion.. Being emotionally or ideologically triggered does not make for good intellectual discussion.

[Pocahawtness]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Garbage:

Hi.

So, I've been noticing a lot of bigotry on the Steam forums lately, including instances of racism, homophobia, transphobia, and other forms of discrimination coming from various posts. I report them, but I feel as if the bans don't come fast enough or harsh enough on people who engage in this behavior.

I feel as if someone banned for bigotry should get a community-wide ban which lasts a few days, then a few months, then longer for each offence they make on the matter. I feel as if this would clean up the Steam forums and make them a more inclusive place to be in.

Cheers.

TBH I think they should hand out lifetime bans on specific forums. I mean, it's a forum. If anyone cares about being banned for life, then, really, they should get a life.

[Nx Machina]

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

Not necessary. Only a tiny but vocal minority of users have reported any issues with bigotry on the Steam forums. The current moderation practices are quite sufficient as is and almost nobody has any issue with them. Just report and block like an adult.

Odd comment to make based on you like to reply with:

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

You are not a Valve employee.

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

People who aren't Valve employees have no business answering this question, this is the sort of thing Valve needs to just step up and say rather than trying to dump on the roleplayers.

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

or taking the roleplaying as a Valve employee to such a high level that you openly fantasize about punishing customers.

[[N]ebsun]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Garbage:

I feel as if the bans don't come fast enough or harsh enough

Agree on the time - the moderators can be quite slow at certain times of day, or sometimes take more than a day to take action

Harshness is difficult to judge, since we don't really see what punishments were given out - I am pretty sure they do give out longer bans for repeated rule-breaking though

[peppermint hollows]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

The minute you start refering or considering someone else in the discussion ane 'ist or a 'phobe. It's time for you to step out of the discussion.. Being emotionally or ideologically triggered does not make for good intellectual discussion.

Intellectual discussion on the Steam forums? Lmfao. Also, no, discrimination is against the Community Guidelines, at least on paper. So yes, Valve themselves in theory removes content which is considered (by them) to be "-ist" or "-phobic."

[Volfogg]

Sounds like someone might have a vendetta of some sort... This really can cloud one's judgement.
Besides... I have my doubts about this working. People will always find a loophole to abuse, like making tons of alts for example.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

The empty virtue signalling crusade continues. No surprise there.

[Start_Running]

Opprinnelig skrevet av peppermint hollows:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

The minute you start refering or considering someone else in the discussion ane 'ist or a 'phobe. It's time for you to step out of the discussion.. Being emotionally or ideologically triggered does not make for good intellectual discussion.

Intellectual discussion on the Steam forums? Lmfao. Also, no, discrimination is against the Community Guidelines, at least on paper. So yes, Valve themselves in theory removes content which is considered (by them) to be "-ist" or "-phobic."

Discrimination is something that has a slightly different connotation.. And lets face it. 90% of the time some calls someone else an ist or phobe it just means they don't like the other person;'s disagreement and are trying to silence/shame the other person.

[Mad Scientist]

Most of these types of threads wouldn't exist if it wasn't for;
-People trolling a newly released games hub, usually to get awards.
-Games not putting in things or changes that the audience greatly dislikes nor wants in their
game, especially established characters or personalities.

Starfield has a huge thread that is dedicated to normal non-awards or political discussions, as an example. The Suicide Squad & BG3 hubs could learn from that. More importantly, when releasing a game the Devs should put moderation in until the hub calms down.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Psymon²:

your observations are accurate.

being a blatant horrible person (to oversimplify the range of acts) can go unmoderated for days.
whereas calling out the those problems can result in moderation in minutes.

There is a huge difference between a proper civil and relevant response "calling out", and writing the same non-constructive irrelevant posts over & over especially when the users, moderation & support know the reputation of the individual.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

Opprinnelig skrevet av peppermint hollows:

Intellectual discussion on the Steam forums? Lmfao. Also, no, discrimination is against the Community Guidelines, at least on paper. So yes, Valve themselves in theory removes content which is considered (by them) to be "-ist" or "-phobic."

Discrimination is something that has a slightly different connotation.. And lets face it. 90% of the time some calls someone else an ist or phobe it just means they don't like the other person;'s disagreement and are trying to silence/shame the other person.

Something that thankfully doesn't work here or very many forums overall is people trying to "win" a discussion by throwing around ist, phobe, declaring it as "hate speech" or trying to report them for such when it blatantly is false. Kind of like how some users are known to say "harassment!" for people merely disagreeing with them.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

The minute you start refering or considering someone else in the discussion ane 'ist or a 'phobe. It's time for you to step out of the discussion.. Being emotionally or ideologically triggered does not make for good intellectual discussion.

Those words should be saved for factual instances of such, people throw those words around so much like the word "nazi" that they usually have no meaning when used, merely for when people don't share the same world views for social & political things.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av William Shakesman:

Not necessary. Only a tiny but vocal minority of users have reported any issues with bigotry on the Steam forums. The current moderation practices are quite sufficient as is and almost nobody has any issue with them. Just report and block like an adult.

How would you know how many people report if you aren't an employee?

[Amaterasu]

I've noticed a lot of people throw around words as accusations towards people just because they disagree with them. And yet if someone else says the same exact word in a neutral context, they get warned. I was one of these people who got warned. If you need any idea of what word it is, just look at any anti-denuvo topic. One word gets thrown at the anti-denuvo crowd all the time, that's apparently against the community guidelines. Reported many instances of it. Not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing done.