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talloyer 25. nov. 2023 kl. 0:57
Upgrade BLOCKing System
The "block user" button available is underwhelming and only serves to hide the posts from the "blocked" user here on Forums yet they can be unhidden just by click on a post, and the blocked users can view and comment normally in any of the topics created by me; on top of that whenever the post of the "blocked" user are quoted by someone else, their posts are visible to me. This is all utterly wrong.
Leaving the blocking system as is keeps toxicity going on, and make the blocked users able to provoke whoever blocked them to be toxic, leading to be eventually banned, a mistake I sadly fell to. Ignoring is not enough. For instance, I made a topic complaining about race-wapping in a game, a particular user kept name-calling me "racist" and other offenses, then I reported and blocked him and he was banned from that forum for a week or so, yet he kept commenting on my topic engaging toxic arguments with other users, almost like he was provoking my topic to be locked or deleted.
Therefore, I suggest to make blocking system to work just like Disqus does, and ideally like Facebook. The former, all comments/posts from the blocked user are tagged as "unavailable content" and the same happens if I am blocked, which is fair trade; the latter, pretty much all content from the blocked user is utterly hidden from me. Either way, If the moderators and Steam staff want to reduce toxicity on Steam Forums while making their jobs easier to perform, they must upgrade the blocking system to something far more effective than it is. :mktrophy:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Teefa:
Blocking should block, both ways, completely.

This is absolutely the standard for any modern social media platform.

It works on facebook. It works on twitter. It works on any number of other communication platforms. This is a best practice mechanism for any healthy and functioning social media system.

You don't have a right to interact with someone that doesn't want to interact with you. It is explicitly harassment to insist on continuing these unwanted interactions.

Protecting people from "echo chambers" is patronizing non-sense. I don't block people that I disagree with. I block people that I have had frequent or heinous negative interactions with.

I thoroughly reject the contrivance that a would be harasser should have the right to decide the terms of my social media interactions with them.

Systematically avoiding these interactions is not only ethical and pragmatic, it is good for everyone involved. There will be less arguments. There will be less time scrolling past texts you aren't going to read. There will be less actuated abuse and harassment made by the worst actors of the forums.

And best of all, you can just let go of all the negativity and go about your life. Nothing in these forums is important enough to allow harassment to thrive unchecked.
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cinedine 26. nov. 2023 kl. 23:22 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
What's really funny is that you think you wouldn't be negatively affected by this suggestion were it to be implemented, or that the forums would become better and less toxic as a result. You are sadly mistaken on both accounts. The gaming community has a long history of proving that self-regulation is a failure.

Where did you get the idea that I think I would not be affected? I am fully aware I will.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Most regulars have a tendency to be annoying. Either they are outright rude and patronising or they tend to irritate with their incessant arguing and in-fighting. I don't see a reason people who don't want to be bothered with this should endure this.

When I speak about "regulars" I still count myself among them. Projecting much? :steammocking:


And yes, the forum will be a better place when people can easily avoid the most common trolls. Lots of smaller communities in the gaming sphere that are not overrun with trolls and handle them by showing them the door prove that. Being an arsehole is not the default state of a human, most actively chose to be because they get away with it.

Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
A Public Discussion Forum is not, nor should it ever be, a social media platform.
It is.

What is the difference between them? On Instagram I can see various topics/reels and comment on them and have a conversation with different users just like with any message board. What makes one a social media platform but the other not?
Also one of them has this feature and it's still not the dreaded "echo chamber" and end of conversation people are scaremongering.
Tito Shivan 27. nov. 2023 kl. 0:38 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Normally, yeah, I'd agree.
But when you have 10+ threads about W7 support ending, 10+ threads about the recent currency changes, and 10+ threads about it being the worst sale ever (also the community is really slacking on this currently), I don't think it does much harm anymore.
I don't think 'well we're already at a bad place' to be much of a defense, but anyway.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Somebody else made a suggestion some weeks ago to hide-ignore threads, which could also be helping with dealing with clutter.
Although I see ignoring threads as a never ending task, I'm more inclined to support that over blocking people from participating in places.
Sidst redigeret af Tito Shivan; 27. nov. 2023 kl. 0:38
KalGimpa 27. nov. 2023 kl. 1:10 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
What is the difference between them? On Instagram I can see various topics/reels and comment on them and have a conversation with different users just like with any message board. What makes one a social media platform but the other not?
Also one of them has this feature and it's still not the dreaded "echo chamber" and end of conversation people are scaremongering.

an instagram page

or facebook, formerly twitter, or whatever

is your page (within the guidelines of that eula)

they are more like your profile here

these boards are public boards for all to participate in
Pulptenks 27. nov. 2023 kl. 3:09 
You got to be quite thin hide to be let a blocked box affect you...
BJWyler 27. nov. 2023 kl. 10:05 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Where did you get the idea that I think I would not be affected? I am fully aware I will.
My apologies. It was an assumption on my part based on my interpretation of how you stated your posts and the general thought of people who have posted this type of suggestion in the past, including the OP, who obviously assume they would not be victimized themselves with this in place.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Most regulars have a tendency to be annoying. Either they are outright rude and patronising or they tend to irritate with their incessant arguing and in-fighting. I don't see a reason people who don't want to be bothered with this should endure this.

When I speak about "regulars" I still count myself among them. Projecting much? :steammocking:
Not really projecting as just stating what the logical conclusion of what will most assuredly occur in these particular forums should this idea ever come to pass.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
And yes, the forum will be a better place when people can easily avoid the most common trolls. Lots of smaller communities in the gaming sphere that are not overrun with trolls and handle them by showing them the door prove that. Being an arsehole is not the default state of a human, most actively chose to be because they get away with it.
Yes, many communities large and small show trolls the door via the appropriate method in the forum space: Moderation. If anything, we should be demanding of Valve better and stricter moderation policies, and limitations on alt accounts. That would be the most effective way to deal with the trolls and troublemakers in the forums. And what one considers to be an arse can be subjective at times. My old Psych professor and I have had conversations about the online persona versus real life actions. Sad to say, but generally what is reflected in the online persona of someone isn't that much different than their core being. The anonymity simply allows them to give voice to it.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
A Public Discussion Forum is not, nor should it ever be, a social media platform.
It is.

What is the difference between them? On Instagram I can see various topics/reels and comment on them and have a conversation with different users just like with any message board. What makes one a social media platform but the other not?
Also one of them has this feature and it's still not the dreaded "echo chamber" and end of conversation people are scaremongering.
Except that forums are not. Forums predate what we now consider as social media by a couple of decades, and the differences are clear. Just look at where the term for this type of online interaction comes from to begin with. Forums have always been about that meeting plaza where anyone and everyone is welcome to participate within the rules of decorum, and no one person is granted any right to prevent another from participating in the plaza activities. Social media, on the other hand is simply an extension of someone's own personal space, brought into the public light. It is nothing more than someone's journal or diary which they open up for others to see - but on their own terms, and only those they wish to allow to view.

At the end of the day, implementing something like the OP suggests only serves to destroy what makes Public Forums unique and interesting in the online space. It will also not solve the problems that the OP and everyone else who has suggested this in the past thinks it will. When we have trolls that openly state they use alts simply for harassment of the forums, and bans are inconsequential to them, a feature like this is meaningless. It is also easily bypassed by anyone with even the slightest smidgen of determination. Thereby rendering it useless and it would only turn the forums into a toxic No Man's Land that ultimately serves no one's best interests.
Sidst redigeret af BJWyler; 27. nov. 2023 kl. 10:08
cinedine 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:24 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
who obviously assume they would not be victimized themselves with this in place.

"Victimized"?!
Some of you guys really need to check the vocabulary you use regarding these forums.
Being blocked and ignored is not getting victimized.

On the other hand, it fits the mindset of some people I have seen here, taking the forums FAR too serious.

Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
Except that forums are not. Forums predate what we now consider as social media by a couple of decades, and the differences are clear.

Yes, forums existed before the term "social media" was common place. So what? No the differences are not clear.

Again: what is the difference from making a public post on reddit where people comment and answer you and the discussion may spread and diverge into different discussion trees, from a public Instagram story? Or a YouTube video? Or a blog post with comment function?
Absolutely nothing except on some platforms the creator still maintains control over some aspects, like being able to close or delete the content. There are forums that allow that as well, btw.
Everytime I see people trying to explain why forums are not a social medium the answer boils down to "because they are forums".
What is a social medium? A place to share stuff with other people.
What is a forum? A place to share stuff with other people.
The stuff can be a funny video, a hot take on a socio-economic issue, an open letter to the government, a contemporary commentary about the impact of Einstein's influence on the crypto market, or someone trolling the platform's audience to generate engagement.

Do you really think the ancient Greeks would have been above sharing cat videos?
Sidst redigeret af cinedine; 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:39
fluxtorrent 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:26 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
who obviously assume they would not be victimized themselves with this in place.

"Victimized"?!
Some of you guys really need to check the vocabulary you use regarding these forums.
Being blocked and ignored is not getting victimized.

On the other hand, it fits the mindset of some people I have seen here, taking the forums FAR too serious.
Being blocked and prevented from participating IS though. But i'm not shocked you support censorship
Brian9824 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:27 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
Oprindeligt skrevet af BJWyler:
who obviously assume they would not be victimized themselves with this in place.

"Victimized"?!
Some of you guys really need to check the vocabulary you use regarding these forums.
Being blocked and ignored is not getting victimized.

On the other hand, it fits the mindset of some people I have seen here, taking the forums FAR too serious.

Would help more if you read the thread fully and didn't cut apart people's posts and only include 1 post out of context with the rest of people's responses. Its not being ignored that would result in being victimized, its about people being able to block others from participating on the forums by blocking them where the victimization would occur.

Oprindeligt skrevet af fluxtorrent:
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:

"Victimized"?!
Some of you guys really need to check the vocabulary you use regarding these forums.
Being blocked and ignored is not getting victimized.

On the other hand, it fits the mindset of some people I have seen here, taking the forums FAR too serious.
Being blocked and prevented from participating IS though. But i'm not shocked you support censorship

Yep, I mean its been mentioned so many times now that one would have to be purposely ignoring it and not acting in good faith to think people have an issue with blocking users. Funny enough I asked a while back if anyone could show me a single user who is against blocking and no one could.

Blocking is fine, letting users restrict what other users can access on PUBLIC forums is NOT fine.
Sidst redigeret af Brian9824; 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:29
VaLiuM 27. nov. 2023 kl. 13:31 
Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:
On the other hand, it fits the mindset of some people I have seen here, taking the forums FAR too serious.
Exactly that is the reason why we need to have more encouraging things, blocking, banning, reporting, all the negatives causing drama...
talloyer 27. nov. 2023 kl. 17:14 
I wonder if Steam staff is able to release this update befor the end of next summer, it would be nice. If they have any doubts, they can contact me at any time. :VBOY:
Boblin the Goblin 27. nov. 2023 kl. 22:35 
Oprindeligt skrevet af talloyer:
I wonder if Steam staff is able to release this update befor the end of next summer, it would be nice. If they have any doubts, they can contact me at any time. :VBOY:

They won't because, as explained, it goes against what open forums are.
The End 27. nov. 2023 kl. 22:37 
Oprindeligt skrevet af talloyer:
I wonder if Steam staff is able to release this update befor the end of next summer, it would be nice. If they have any doubts, they can contact me at any time. :VBOY:
Good luck with getting this implemented. Do not hold your breath while you wait.
talloyer 28. nov. 2023 kl. 10:39 
I can wait!
Brian9824 28. nov. 2023 kl. 11:02 
Oprindeligt skrevet af talloyer:
I can wait!

To be fair you might be able to finish writing out Pi before Steam allows users to restrict where other users are allowed to post. In the meantime you should block and/or report anyone breaking the rules
Start_Running 28. nov. 2023 kl. 11:55 
Oprindeligt skrevet af brian9824:
Oprindeligt skrevet af talloyer:
I can wait!

To be fair you might be able to finish writing out Pi before Steam allows users to restrict where other users are allowed to post. In the meantime you should block and/or report anyone breaking the rules


Unlikely. I mean the feature the OP wants already exists.
It's called "Creating your own private group forum"
Sidst redigeret af Start_Running; 28. nov. 2023 kl. 12:00
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