Upgrade BLOCKing System

[talloyer]

The "block user" button available is underwhelming and only serves to hide the posts from the "blocked" user here on Forums yet they can be unhidden just by click on a post, and the blocked users can view and comment normally in any of the topics created by me; on top of that whenever the post of the "blocked" user are quoted by someone else, their posts are visible to me. This is all utterly wrong.
Leaving the blocking system as is keeps toxicity going on, and make the blocked users able to provoke whoever blocked them to be toxic, leading to be eventually banned, a mistake I sadly fell to. Ignoring is not enough. For instance, I made a topic complaining about race-wapping in a game, a particular user kept name-calling me "racist" and other offenses, then I reported and blocked him and he was banned from that forum for a week or so, yet he kept commenting on my topic engaging toxic arguments with other users, almost like he was provoking my topic to be locked or deleted.
Therefore, I suggest to make blocking system to work just like Disqus does, and ideally like Facebook. The former, all comments/posts from the blocked user are tagged as "unavailable content" and the same happens if I am blocked, which is fair trade; the latter, pretty much all content from the blocked user is utterly hidden from me. Either way, If the moderators and Steam staff want to reduce toxicity on Steam Forums while making their jobs easier to perform, they must upgrade the blocking system to something far more effective than it is.

[cinedine]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

We don't have consistent moderation, which is why without improving the block system, it's the trolls who have that soapbox because they insist on being the center of attention.

A good forum would just ban them, but letting individuals prevent them from engaging with them personally would be the next best option.

It's actually funny/sad that some of the people arguing against it are the same who will argue for tougher moderation (on certain people). I mean, they are basically against the community regulating itself. And I have no doubt some of them have enough self-awareness to realise that they are the ones that will be hit by it.
It's quite tough to spend eigth hours a day on a forum where you can see and post nothing. :D

[Brian9824]

引用自 cinedine：

I mean, they are basically against the community regulating itself.

Rightfully so too, as people have repeatedly shown that they have no clue about the rules when they accuse people of harassing them for not liking their ideas, and keep getting repeatedly banned showing they have no grasp on how to behave.

Moderation isn't perfect, but its far better then what some would want it to be where its a tool to target specific people they aren't allowed to attack without being banned...

[KalGimpa]

how do you stop someone from opening bot the client and a web page?

doing that

while not logged in to the web page

i will see everything you post and be able to respond

if it is a thread that you started

i do not like the idea of people being able to stop others from posting in it

your block is enough to not see anything i post

if you do not have the willpower to not click the reveal

that is on you

i would get behind having the blocked uses quoted posts being hidden

[talloyer]

Disqus disproves everyone against blocking, since there ARE moderators and any user can block anyone in public comments. And since way too often moderators are "flawed" in their judgement, it is right for the user to have the option yo block anyone at any time. If you don't like blocking, don't block and live with that, but don't try to deny others of blocking others.

[Brian9824]

引用自 talloyer：

Disqus disproves everyone against blocking, since there ARE moderators and any user can block anyone in public comments. And since way too often moderators are "flawed" in their judgement, it is right for the user to have the option yo block anyone at any time. If you don't like blocking, don't block and live with that, but don't try to deny others of blocking others.

You already can block users, no one is stating that users shouldn't be able to block others. What you can't do is restrict someone else from posting on public threads or viewing them. For instance if I chose to block you right now you'd still be able to post in this thread, and you wouldn't be restricted from posting in threads.

[KalGimpa]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 talloyer：

Disqus disproves everyone against blocking, since there ARE moderators and any user can block anyone in public comments. And since way too often moderators are "flawed" in their judgement, it is right for the user to have the option yo block anyone at any time. If you don't like blocking, don't block and live with that, but don't try to deny others of blocking others.

You already can block users, no one is stating that users shouldn't be able to block others. What you can't do is restrict someone else from posting on public threads or viewing them. For instance if I chose to block you right now you'd still be able to post in this thread, and you wouldn't be restricted from posting in threads.

exactly

i have two people on block

those people's threads are clearly marked and i avoid them

their posts are hidden and i do not click reveal

it is pretty simple

as i said up there

hiding their quotes would be nice

but they are avoided easily enough

[cinedine]

引用自 KalCuey：

how do you stop someone from opening bot the client and a web page?

doing that

while not logged in to the web page

i will see everything you post and be able to respond

Yes, you will see it. But you cannot post in it without being logged in.
You can still use an alt and probably prove everyone right to put you on block, though.

[davidb11]

Again, no one can logically want this because it goes against a public forum.
You're basically trying to ban people from walking down the street.
Literally.

Not cool dude.

[KalGimpa]

引用自 cinedine：

引用自 KalCuey：

how do you stop someone from opening bot the client and a web page?

doing that

while not logged in to the web page

i will see everything you post and be able to respond

Yes, you will see it. But you cannot post in it without being logged in.
You can still use an alt and probably prove everyone right to put you on block, though.

which is really the point

the people that are trolls and want to push a persons buttons will do just that

it is a lot of wasted effort on the devs part for something so easily avoided

i would not even have to use an alt unless they prevent me from posting in the thread

even then

i could copy past the op into a new thread and the person who blocked me could do nothing

they would not even know what it was about because they would not see it

fact is

people just need to really ignore the person they put on ignore

op implies that they hit the reveal

don't

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 talloyer：

I can see there are too many apologists against the OPTION of Blocking (for real) someone, almost like they want Toxicity to proceed unfiltered until someone gets banned. That is, they prefer to risk getting reported then banned than just blocked by someone offended by them. That mentally is too shameful, but then I happened to strike their nerve.
Anyway, I hope Steam staff has more sense to take my ideas seriously than these people who cannot live with the idea of being (truly) blocked. :Takedown:

No one is against the option of blocking. What you are wanting is to control another user's ability to comment on an open forum.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 cinedine：

Also, how would you make such a list? Certainly not by being a helpful, contributing user.

Here's the irony: the people making these kind of lists all think their are a helpful and contributing user.

引用自 cinedine：

And the problem?

Visual clutter.
Once if the things I don't miss about moderating was having all the deleted threads clogging up the forum whenever I wanted to use them.

Spread a conversation between a dozen different threads and it becomes noise for the regular forum user.

It's the same complaint you can see here many times "forums X are full of threads about Y"... It's also the reason why meeting threads was a thing.

[talloyer]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 talloyer：

Disqus disproves everyone against blocking, since there ARE moderators and any user can block anyone in public comments. And since way too often moderators are "flawed" in their judgement, it is right for the user to have the option yo block anyone at any time. If you don't like blocking, don't block and live with that, but don't try to deny others of blocking others.

You already can block users, no one is stating that users shouldn't be able to block others. What you can't do is restrict someone else from posting on public threads or viewing them. For instance if I chose to block you right now you'd still be able to post in this thread, and you wouldn't be restricted from posting in threads.

"Blocking" is not blocking. Is hiding, although it only blocks direct messages.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

How do you cope with real life? All those people you can't even ignore... It must be torture for you

[Brian9824]

引用自 talloyer：

引用自 brian9824：

You already can block users, no one is stating that users shouldn't be able to block others. What you can't do is restrict someone else from posting on public threads or viewing them. For instance if I chose to block you right now you'd still be able to post in this thread, and you wouldn't be restricted from posting in threads.

"Blocking" is not blocking. Is hiding, although it only blocks direct messages.

It also blocks them from posting on your profile, artwork, screenshots etc. Hence the name blocking. Basically everywhere that is private that you control they are blocked from posting. If you engage with PUBLIC content you can't block them from that content, but you can choose not to read their comments.

[Scheneighnay]

引用自 talloyer：

Disqus disproves everyone against blocking, since there ARE moderators and any user can block anyone in public comments. And since way too often moderators are "flawed" in their judgement, it is right for the user to have the option yo block anyone at any time. If you don't like blocking, don't block and live with that, but don't try to deny others of blocking others.

Disqus is moderated differently from site to site.

It's a cesspool on some and fine on others.