Fishie 2023 年 11 月 9 日 下午 10:02
Don't allow ban appeals and change bans
Other platforms do this; they ban and stand by their ban. You should.

It will stop bots and more.

Make bans 
1 day for the first violation
2 weeks for the second
Perma ban for third

Bans can't be appealed unless you Valve are 100% sure the post isn't rude, etc.

No matter if a user thinks their post didn't violate rules, it did, and they must be teach, but to teach them, you must ban them. You must not let them appeal just because they think the ban is unjust when it is just.

They only get one appeal; for permanent bans, they get up to three appeals or two
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Fishie 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 8:29 
引用自 SlowMango
引用自 Fishie

Well I know one thing that for sure.


Do you still support your suggestion?

I do because read the description Bans can't be appealed unless you Valve are 100% sure the post isn't rude, etc.

Don't just focus on the title and read the last part too which is They only get one appeal; for permanent bans, they get up to three appeals or two.

You can appeal only once unless it a permanent ban then only 2 or three times only.
最后由 Fishie 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 8:31
Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 8:36 
引用自 Fishie
引用自 SlowMango


Do you still support your suggestion?

I do because read the description Bans can't be appealed unless you Valve are 100% sure the post isn't rude, etc.

Don't just focus on the title and read the last part too which is They only get one appeal; for permanent bans, they get up to three appeals or two.

You can appeal only once unless it a permanent ban then only 2 or three times only.


Rude posts aren't the only ones that break the rules.

"Rude" is also very subjective. For instance, I find it rude to call people "demons" or something similar. Some people think it's rude for simply correcting misinformation.
xAlphaStarOmegax 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 9:21 
I think this post is aging badly. :P
Tito Shivan 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 10:09 
引用自 Fishie
I do because read the description Bans can't be appealed unless you Valve are 100% sure the post isn't rude, etc.
Which in turn makes every ban able to be appealed, since every banned user thinks their posts weren't rude.

Just like every VAC banned user says their ban was unfair.

Basically "bans cant' be appealed, but" equals to "Bans can be appealed"
AmsterdamHeavy 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 11:49 
引用自 Fishie
Other platforms do this; they ban and stand by their ban. You should.

It will stop bots and more.

Make bans 
1 day for the first violation
2 weeks for the second
Perma ban for third

Bans can't be appealed unless you Valve are 100% sure the post isn't rude, etc.

No matter if a user thinks their post didn't violate rules, it did, and they must be teach, but to teach them, you must ban them. You must not let them appeal just because they think the ban is unjust when it is just.

They only get one appeal; for permanent bans, they get up to three appeals or two

引用自 Fishie
引用自 Supafly
But you were

Was yeah but not now I appealed.

:poohappy:
最后由 AmsterdamHeavy 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 11:49
Start_Running 2023 年 11 月 14 日 上午 11:52 
引用自 xAlphaStarOmegax
I think this post is aging badly. :P
You mean Hilariously.
Providence 777 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:22 
This suggestion doesn't leave room for errors, which valve's staff are excessively prone to, due to bans being issued out by automation at times, as well as volunteers who have their own biases, and often times they straight up misread/misunderstand the post because they're not a native speaker of the language they're reading, so it leads to misunderstandings.

Consider for a second the bias from volunteers, the left and the right have completely opposite definitions of misgendering, the right believes addressing someone as anything other than the gender listed on a person's birth certificate is "misgendering", while the left believes addressing someone as anything other than their current self expressed gender is "misgendering".

With these opposing definitions that are formed culturally through their different moral foundations, you can see how having bans that can't be appealed would cause trouble for everyone, including you, because you can't guarantee that the person reading your post agrees with your worldview or not. And that's just one example, people who are often on opposing sides of an argument these days have entirely different definitions for every contentious term.

Do you really want your bans to not have an appeal option when they've been issued by someone who is opposed to your worldview? would that be fair to you?
Providence 777 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:31 
引用自 BJWyler
引用自 Tito Shivan
It went earlier in reality. It's a subject we repeatedly offered feedback about, but it only really showed after that.
Whatever rulebook the actual moderation is following doesn't include ban escalation or properly going after people bypassing bans through alt accounts.
Out of curiosity, was there any justifications given for why ban escalations were no longer favored? During my times as a mod, it was seen as a completely necessary and useful tool to curb toxicity in the forums. Personally, the current situation is as bad as it is here because there appears to be no viable escalation of bans.
it seems to depend on the forum, for example, there's a fighting game forum where a user who doesn't own the game wrote hundreds of posts falsely accusing everyone who owned the game of being a heinous criminal, this guy would only get banned for a day, or 3 days each time, his entire post history was exclusively falsely accusing random users of committing crimes.

he got banned over a dozen times, and it never escalated to a permanent ban, despite his one and only purpose being defamation and flaming.

Even now he's not banned, he only got bored and left on his own.

Meanwhile another game forum, I politely asked the developer not to censor the criticisms people have about their game, because it doesn't give customers a good impression, and I was permanently banned from that forum, even valve's staff didn't understand how my post was deserving of a permanent ban, but they claimed they weren't able to reverse it since it was issued out by the developer.

Different forums seem to operate very differently.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:34
Fishie 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 5:39 
引用自 Providence 777
引用自 BJWyler

Out of curiosity, was there any justifications given for why ban escalations were no longer favored? During my times as a mod, it was seen as a completely necessary and useful tool to curb toxicity in the forums. Personally, the current situation is as bad as it is here because there appears to be no viable escalation of bans.
it seems to depend on the forum, for example, there's a fighting game forum where a user who doesn't own the game wrote hundreds of posts falsely accusing everyone who owned the game of being a heinous criminal, this guy would only get banned for a day, or 3 days each time, his entire post history was exclusively falsely accusing random users of committing crimes.

he got banned over a dozen times, and it never escalated to a permanent ban, despite his one and only purpose being defamation and flaming.

Even now he's not banned, he only got bored and left on his own.

Meanwhile another game forum, I politely asked the developer not to censor the criticisms people have about their game, because it doesn't give customers a good impression, and I was permanently banned from that forum, even valve's staff didn't understand how my post was deserving of a permanent ban, but they claimed they weren't able to reverse it since it was issued out by the developer.

Different forums seem to operate very differently.

Because you told the developers what to do. You can't do that. Amd define censorship if they being rude about game it not censorship it just this

https://youtu.be/lCHba6FMhu0?si=Mb6RMl8W2kbMWTFm

And gamers thank them for that.
Providence 777 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:13 
引用自 Fishie
Because you told the developers what to do. You can't do that.
I did no such thing.
I politely asked, and explained my reasoning for why.

Besides, there is nothing in the community guidelines that says users aren't allowed to request anything from developers. You completely made that up, for reasons I don't quite understand.

引用自 Fishie
Amd define censorship if they being rude about game it not censorship it just this
And gamers thank them for that.
People complained about a character's appearance being changed, and asked for a more accurate representation to the source material. And the devs didn't allow any discussion to take place regarding that subject, nearly every single thread was deleted, and because they were deleted and not locked, users had no way of knowing that the devs didn't want this subject to be discussed on the forum.

Seeing how we're paying money for these products, we are literally entitled justly to express criticisms of any product. Even Valve's own guide for game developers explain that they shouldn't censor customers, because customers very quickly detect that they're being censored.

actual real gamers, in fact do not thank developers for perma banning users who want additions or adjustments to a game, I know that gamers do not thank developers for this because every single person here, including you, have asked for a feature or content or adjustment be made to something that you bought or intend to buy, you would not be grateful if simply doing so was a guarantee'd perma ban.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:15
Tanoomba 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:18 
引用自 Providence 777
Consider for a second the bias from volunteers, the left and the right have completely opposite definitions of misgendering, the right believes addressing someone as anything other than the gender listed on a person's birth certificate is "misgendering", while the left believes addressing someone as anything other than their current self expressed gender is "misgendering".
Not as great example. The right have never had an issue with "misgendering", what you're describing is an ideological stance taken IN OPPOSITION TO the push for trans acceptance. It is a stance based on conflict and bigotry, it's not simply a "different definition".
Knee 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:20 
引用自 Fishie
Because you told the developers what to do. You can't do that.
You can. That’s why valve accepted the ban appeal.
Providence 777 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:24 
引用自 Tanoomba
Not as great example. The right have never had an issue with "misgendering", what you're describing is an ideological stance taken IN OPPOSITION TO the push for trans acceptance. It is a stance based on conflict and bigotry, it's not simply a "different definition".
This is objectively false, the right indeed has always maintained that people should be addressed by what best matches their anatomy, this is a concept that is as old as pronouns themselves, and has been the cultural norm for so many generations that even our languages are incompatible with any other way of addressing people.

You're not able to comment on this objectively because you are not able to expand your view beyond your own perspective of how you see the world, it's a skill you need to develop in order to have deeper discussions and a broader understanding of multifaceted concepts.

accusations of "bigotry" are misplaced and needlessly hostile, and show your lack of understanding of moral foundations and how interconnected they are with culture and language.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:46
lightwo 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:27 
Mistakes happen on moderation's part. Permanent bans, even. There's no reason not to let banned users appeal their bans.
Fishie 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:47 
引用自 Providence 777
引用自 Fishie
Because you told the developers what to do. You can't do that.
I did no such thing.
I politely asked, and explained my reasoning for why.

Besides, there is nothing in the community guidelines that says users aren't allowed to request anything from developers. You completely made that up, for reasons I don't quite understand.

引用自 Fishie
Amd define censorship if they being rude about game it not censorship it just this
And gamers thank them for that.
People complained about a character's appearance being changed, and asked for a more accurate representation to the source material. And the devs didn't allow any discussion to take place regarding that subject, nearly every single thread was deleted, and because they were deleted and not locked, users had no way of knowing that the devs didn't want this subject to be discussed on the forum.

Seeing how we're paying money for these products, we are literally entitled justly to express criticisms of any product. Even Valve's own guide for game developers explain that they shouldn't censor customers, because customers very quickly detect that they're being censored.

actual real gamers, in fact do not thank developers for perma banning users who want additions or adjustments to a game, I know that gamers do not thank developers for this because every single person here, including you, have asked for a feature or content or adjustment be made to something that you bought or intend to buy, you would not be grateful if simply doing so was a guarantee'd perma ban.

I didn't make that up lol. Developers have own rules for their forums and it their game you can't tell them what to do or hate on their game for no reason. It just life.

You not entitled to tell a Developer anything. Only thing your entitled to is a review but Developers can allow it if they want to but if it leads to arguments it their choice.

Also keep in mind it may not be the Developers at all who deleted it it may be the moderators they appointed. Which does happen time to time.

I remember a mod ban me till December in game forum and deleted all my comments including helpful ones. I talk to the mods in discord and I told them if I'm not unban I'll sue and immediately they conducted a investigation and unbanned me. As I showed them screenshots from my comment history and they was like okay we won't restore posts but then a day later they restored some of them after their investigation.

Also posting suggestions here isn't developers. Suggestions I posted in game forums I have never been ban as you keep it appropriate and nice.
最后由 Fishie 编辑于; 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:49
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