FOXDUDE69 2023년 11월 9일 오전 10시 34분
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Steam Deck Owners should get a discount.
Owners of the original Steam Deck console should get a discount on the OLED model.

The original Deck hasn't even been out for 2 years and it's already severely outdated.
Some argue, and rightfully so, that the OLED models are what we should've gotten in the first place.

This is why you don't just mass produce the first prototype that's "good enough".

Everyone has been beta testing this console for Valve and now they'll have to pay extra just to finally get Streets of Rage 4 to look as good on the Deck as it does on a Nintendo Switch model from 2021.
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If you look at the thread it is no surprise that the main apologists are the same as usual.
What I don't get is why people defend this practice. It is ultimately hurting you as a consumer. In a world where a lot of companies are heaps more transparent about their future development and goals to build trust, people clamour to the thinnest straw to defend Valve and tell disappointed customers that it is their own damn fault for not knowing the unknown.
It'd be more productive to attack the arguments they're making instead of hiding behind attacks on their character.

Where am I attacking their character?
People are apologetic towards a corporation which did a snafu that upset customers. And it happens to be the very same that are defending Valve and making excuses every single thread. That's not an attack on their character, that's stating an observation.

I already said my piece and most I've seen in is just insesent discussion for the sake of having a discussion. One of the people in here even argued the exact opposite in the "Steam should NOT give a discount ..." thread.

Valve has made a snafu that upset some customers, understandably so. There are companies who handle these things better. Valve itself even used to in some regards. There is nothing wrong with holding them accountable for their decissions.
But it's Valve. They can't do nothing wrong.

How it could there be any productivity from arguing points that are either gaslighting, simply not applicable or just meant in bad faith to argue for the sake of it.
Like the point "every tech gets a better variant". No, it doesn't. The Steam Deck is not comparable to a graphics card or a processor made by a company specialicing in manufacturing that. There has been no precedent of it for Valve either. Steam Controller, Index, Steam Link, none of them has gotten a re-iteration of that caliber so soon. If you don't count the Steam Vive and Index, none of them has *ever* gotten a re-iteration at all. What you rather see with Valve is doing one shots and often neglecting features or products. SteamOS and the Music Player where barely worked on after their release despite some glarign issues. The client is still with broken functionality even.

Valve is a terrible company when it comes to PR and transparency. And people like on this thread who keep singing their praise no matter what, aren't going to change it.
What would have been the problem if they came out in September saying "we are not working on a Steam Deck 2 but we are currently working on an OLED version of the original"? People not buying one of the old ones for the same price during that time? Yeah, I think they would have survived this. That's the same company who built a whole bloody factory for their controllers that they later couldn't get rid of fast enough.
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Mad Scientist 2023년 11월 11일 오후 2시 18분 
FOXDUDE69님이 먼저 게시:
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One of them wrote it was a better experience to install Windows on it. Not sure how one can make up what was literally listed.
That is ideal for those not familiar at all with Linux; to install an OS they are familiar with onto a compatible device.

My friends don't even use the Steam forums. So please stop making things up.
In the confines of Steam, Steam Friends list is simply noted as Friends. The information is there, nothing is being made up.

FOXDUDE69님이 먼저 게시:
Not that it matters because someone installing Windows is irrelevant, the Steam Deck should be judged based on it's hardware and the software that comes with it.
The advertising point is also that you can install whatever you like on it, including Windows. You knew the specifications/important parts before making the purchase, and were free to look at reviews, videos etc that existed before the purchase. Since you've bought many switches, you know not to expect a discount just for owning a previous model or family of products.

As said before, you can sell your deck and buy the new Deck. Don't buy something if it doesn't have parts you'd like, or if it has parts you don't want. To the company, that means you bought exactly what you were happy buying, and that is a reason not to give people discounts.

The company I worked for did not give people discounts on a next model, for owning one or more previous products, no matter how many products they owned. If they wanted it, they had to buy it at full price like everyone else, or wait for a future sale, kind of like what's going on with the original Deck. Also given the initial model is declared as "painful" to sell at the price, selling a new model likely within the same statement of the base model makes no sense to discount unless you're phasing out the product & clearing inventory space.

Given all the statements & experience, giving out discounts simply for owning the previous model makes zero sense from a business perspective unless again, phasing out/clearing inventory space.

So it's either should've waited for the OLED Deck, or sell the original deck and buy the new one at less loss to the wallet. Don't buy products with specs/specific parts you're not happy with. Research before you buy.
Stacko 2023년 11월 11일 오후 2시 51분 
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.
76561199559798421 2023년 11월 11일 오후 9시 02분 
Stacko님이 먼저 게시:
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.

just make the most out of what you have, no matter what happens in life new upgrades will always make you feel that way, but you need to find enjoyment with what you have bought and don't let anything stop you from making the most of what you have.

find satisfaction in it
AmsterdamHeavy 2023년 11월 11일 오후 9시 17분 
Stacko님이 먼저 게시:
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.

You shouldnt. You thought it was worth it at the time.
FOXDUDE69 2023년 11월 11일 오후 9시 39분 
Stacko님이 먼저 게시:
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.
The lesson learned is: don't buy a Valve product in the first 2 years.

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My friends don't even use the Steam forums. So please stop making things up.
In the confines of Steam, Steam Friends list is simply noted as Friends. The information is there, nothing is being made up.

Yeah, it is.

Every adult understands that a person on your Steam Friends List doesn't necessarily need to be your friend. Only a handful of people in my Friend List are my friends and, as I said, they don't post here.

And why do you feel the need go to through my Friend List to make your argument? Sounds a bit obsessive.

Mad Scientist님이 먼저 게시:
The advertising point is also that you can install whatever you like on it, including Windows.

You can install Windows on it if you want but fact still remains that the thing was released with a terrible screen, terrible battery life, it's native software was notoriously undercooked and it had a cavalcade of other glaring issues.

Additionally, You also shouldn't have to install a different OS just to have a slightly better experience. If that's the case, then Windows, not SteamOS, should have come pre-installed.

An option meant for a niche subsegment of the userbase shouldn't become a requirement for all. If it is, then it's a testament of how much of a failure the Native software was. Which is why this whole windows talk is utterly irrelevant. The Deck should be judged on it's hardware and native software.
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76561199559798421 2023년 11월 11일 오후 10시 19분 
im a little leery on the whole steam os , linux build to begin with, it would be nice to get a steam deck with preinstalled windows 11 all set to first boot when it comes out of the box, or even a windows 11 /steam os selection boot.

as a pc gamer on steam i know fairly well how to use windows, spending countless hours in linux sites to try and configure my steam deck would not be a bonus for me.

also... if steam proto is working with a linux build couldn't you guys develop some type of android based proto ?
Coldflame 2023년 11월 11일 오후 10시 21분 
can i get a cheap ps5 since my ps2's still about
damarad 2023년 11월 12일 오전 2시 35분 
I feel very frustrated. After seeing in late September no new Steam deck version was planned in few years, I purchased a 512 model in the 20th anniversary sales. Then less than 2 months later we have a new version. Really bad played by valve. Also no possibilities for a trade in for new model. They did a very bad practice with this :(
Tito Shivan 2023년 11월 12일 오전 3시 24분 
FOXDUDE69님이 먼저 게시:
Stacko님이 먼저 게시:
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.
The lesson learned is: don't buy a Valve product in the first 2 years.
But you want the OLED Deck which was just released. Are you sure the lesson was really learnt?


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as a pc gamer on steam i know fairly well how to use windows, spending countless hours in linux sites to try and configure my steam deck would not be a bonus for me.
Luckily for you it's preinstalled and preconfigured in the deck.
FOXDUDE69 2023년 11월 12일 오전 3시 28분 
damarad님이 먼저 게시:
I feel very frustrated. After seeing in late September no new Steam deck version was planned in few years, I purchased a 512 model in the 20th anniversary sales. Then less than 2 months later we have a new version. Really bad played by valve. Also no possibilities for a trade in for new model. They did a very bad practice with this :(

You are not the only one. I've seen many gamers on X(Twitter) saying the same thing.

The weirdest thing was seeing the Valve guys on IGN saying the new version is the version they always wanted to make... So why didn't they? OLED screens were already available, affordable and just as efficient in 2022. This makes zero sense.

When you can't understand why someone is doing something, you look at the results and tou inferr the motive, and the results seem to suggest that Valve wanted to craft a situation where they could easily double dip, sell the unfinished product, beta test it on it's users and then release the product they should have released in the first place.
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Brian9824 2023년 11월 12일 오전 4시 29분 
FOXDUDE69님이 먼저 게시:
The weirdest thing was seeing the Valve guys on IGN saying the new version is the version they always wanted to make... So why didn't they? OLED screens were already available, affordable and just as efficient in 2022. This makes zero sense.

When you can't understand why someone is doing something, you look at the results and tou inferr the motive, and the results seem to suggest that Valve wanted to craft a situation where they could easily double dip, sell the unfinished product, beta test it on it's users and then release the product they should have released in the first place.

Not really weird at all, you just don't know how manufacturing works. As you make more units the price for the component falls off and it becomes cheaper to make. The first deck at the time was already aggressively priced and was untested. With its success, and the millions of units made it approached a point where they could then create another iteration and even lower the price of the first one.

All new tech drops rapidly in price after the first year or two, its why bluray players were so expensive at first and then rapidly started dropping in price.
FOXDUDE69 2023년 11월 12일 오전 8시 59분 
brian9824님이 먼저 게시:
Not really weird at all, you just don't know how manufacturing works. As you make more units the price for the component falls off and it becomes cheaper to make.
Looks like you are the one who doesn't know anything about manufacturing as you are only parroting the most basic thing that everyone knows about manufacturing and you think it's a valid excuse for the product coming out undercooked.

brian9824님이 먼저 게시:
With its success, and the millions of units made it approached a point where they could then create another iteration and even lower the price of the first one.

Success? You think the Steam Deck numbers are impressive for a dedicated gaming device from one of the biggest names in the gaming industry? The Wii U sold 7 times more and was considered a flop.

The OG Steam Deck wasn't a success because word of mouth was "It's not ready" so the amount of potential buyers was very limited: Tech heads, Valve fanboys and people like me who like to make their own minds by testing the thing themselves.

The real launch of the Steam Deck is going to be now, now that it's a presentable device with improved software that we collectively payed to beta test. The success that the Steam Deck will start enjoying now is owed to us.

brian9824님이 먼저 게시:
All new tech drops rapidly in price after the first year or two, its why bluray players were so expensive at first and then rapidly started dropping in price.
You are simply making an assumption that OLED and other components used in the new Deck where cheaper in 2022 than they are in 2023. An assumption that willfully ignores the record levels of inflation we are currently witnessing. That inflation also impacts the supply lines that provide all the materials needed to manufacture OLED screens.
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Tanoomba 2023년 11월 12일 오전 9시 08분 
FOXDUDE69님이 먼저 게시:
Looks like you are the one who doesn't know anything about manufacturing as you are only parroting the most basic thing that everyone knows about manufacturing and you think it's a valid excuse for the product coming out undercooked.
It released in the condition it released. If you think it was "undercooked", then you had all the information necessary to make an informed decision and wait until the next model. You got exactly what you paid for, and you are owed nothing else.
cinedine 2023년 11월 12일 오전 9시 15분 
AmsterdamHeavy님이 먼저 게시:
Stacko님이 먼저 게시:
I do feel really sad & stupid for purchasing a Deck less than a month ago now that this one is coming out.

You shouldnt. You thought it was worth it at the time.

Isn't that exactly the point?
If they knew a better model was coming out in a few months, they might not have bought it. Because it was not worth it even then, it was just the one option available that you had to settle for.

Tanoomba님이 먼저 게시:
then you had all the information necessary to make an informed decision and wait until the next model.
Yeah ... except the information "there will be a better model soon". Which is quite a bit of an omission in order to make an informed decission.
And given Valve's track record the chance for there being a better model or they canning the whole thing was 50:50.
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Tanoomba 2023년 11월 12일 오전 9시 21분 
cinedine님이 먼저 게시:
Yeah ... except the information "there will be a better model soon". Which is quite a bit of an omission in order to make an informed decission.
There's almost ALWAYS a new model down the line. As an early adopter, you got access to the Deck before everyone who waited for the new model. That's how it works.

Besides, it makes no difference whether a new model was announced or not. That doesn't change that you got exactly what you paid for, and you are owed nothing more.
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