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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:34am
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Steam Deck Owners should get a discount.
Owners of the original Steam Deck console should get a discount on the OLED model.

The original Deck hasn't even been out for 2 years and it's already severely outdated.
Some argue, and rightfully so, that the OLED models are what we should've gotten in the first place.

This is why you don't just mass produce the first prototype that's "good enough".

Everyone has been beta testing this console for Valve and now they'll have to pay extra just to finally get Streets of Rage 4 to look as good on the Deck as it does on a Nintendo Switch model from 2021.
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Originally posted by cinedine:
Originally posted by Knee:
Originally posted by cinedine:
If you look at the thread it is no surprise that the main apologists are the same as usual.
What I don't get is why people defend this practice. It is ultimately hurting you as a consumer. In a world where a lot of companies are heaps more transparent about their future development and goals to build trust, people clamour to the thinnest straw to defend Valve and tell disappointed customers that it is their own damn fault for not knowing the unknown.
It'd be more productive to attack the arguments they're making instead of hiding behind attacks on their character.

Where am I attacking their character?
People are apologetic towards a corporation which did a snafu that upset customers. And it happens to be the very same that are defending Valve and making excuses every single thread. That's not an attack on their character, that's stating an observation.

I already said my piece and most I've seen in is just insesent discussion for the sake of having a discussion. One of the people in here even argued the exact opposite in the "Steam should NOT give a discount ..." thread.

Valve has made a snafu that upset some customers, understandably so. There are companies who handle these things better. Valve itself even used to in some regards. There is nothing wrong with holding them accountable for their decissions.
But it's Valve. They can't do nothing wrong.

How it could there be any productivity from arguing points that are either gaslighting, simply not applicable or just meant in bad faith to argue for the sake of it.
Like the point "every tech gets a better variant". No, it doesn't. The Steam Deck is not comparable to a graphics card or a processor made by a company specialicing in manufacturing that. There has been no precedent of it for Valve either. Steam Controller, Index, Steam Link, none of them has gotten a re-iteration of that caliber so soon. If you don't count the Steam Vive and Index, none of them has *ever* gotten a re-iteration at all. What you rather see with Valve is doing one shots and often neglecting features or products. SteamOS and the Music Player where barely worked on after their release despite some glarign issues. The client is still with broken functionality even.

Valve is a terrible company when it comes to PR and transparency. And people like on this thread who keep singing their praise no matter what, aren't going to change it.
What would have been the problem if they came out in September saying "we are not working on a Steam Deck 2 but we are currently working on an OLED version of the original"? People not buying one of the old ones for the same price during that time? Yeah, I think they would have survived this. That's the same company who built a whole bloody factory for their controllers that they later couldn't get rid of fast enough.
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nullable Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:38am 
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Owners of the original Steam Deck console should get a discount on the OLED model.

Just like Switch onwers got a discount on the OLED Switch? Just like owners of a product always get a discount on revised hardware/model?

How about no.

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
The original Deck hasn't even been out for 2 years and it's already severely outdated.
Some argue, and rightfully so, that the OLED models are what we should've gotten in the first place.

Not relevant. The hardware wasn't a secret. If it didn't meet your long term standards you shouldn't have purchased it.

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
This is why you don't just mass produce the first prototype that's "good enough".

This is why you don't buy a product that's just "good enough".

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Everyone has been beta testing this console for Valve and now they'll have to pay extra just to get Streets of Rage 4 to look as good as it does on a Nintendo Switch model from 2021.

It looks as good as a Nintendo Switch from 2020 though.
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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:40am 
Originally posted by nullable:
Just like Switch onwers got a discount on the OLED Switch?

Irrelevant. Switch OLED came out 5 years after the OG Switch.
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Boblin the Goblin Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:46am 
I like how this thread attempts to show a genuine concern or grievance for Valve.
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nullable Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Originally posted by nullable:
Just like Switch onwers got a discount on the OLED Switch?

Irrelevant. Switch OLED came out 5 years after the OG Switch.

What makes two years some magic number then? Seems arbitrary to me.
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Boblin the Goblin Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by nullable:
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Irrelevant. Switch OLED came out 5 years after the OG Switch.

What makes two years some magic number then? Seems arbitrary to me.


Because there could be a faux outrage thread otherwise.
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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by nullable:
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Irrelevant. Switch OLED came out 5 years after the OG Switch.

What makes two years some magic number then? Seems arbitrary to me.

Wasn't even two years.
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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by eram:
why do you need 2 decks?

Have you seen the screen quality in the OG Deck?
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Boblin the Goblin Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Originally posted by eram:
why do you need 2 decks?

Have you seen the screen quality in the OG Deck?


Yeah. It's fine.
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Spawn of Totoro Nov 9, 2023 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Originally posted by nullable:

What makes two years some magic number then? Seems arbitrary to me.

Wasn't even two years.

For some, it wasn't even 6 months, or even less, since they got one. Same with the Switch. Any timeline is arbitrary.

Looking at the differences between LCD and OLED, there doesn't really seem to be much. One does a bit better in one area then the other, as well as the reverse, so they balance out. LCD may even have a bit of an edge as it has a lower, overall power consumption. Something good for a device that uses a battery.

If someone wan'ts a discount, they can simply wait for a sale. There is also the option of buying a the new display and installing it. Likely a better option as it is an even bigger discount then getting a slight discount on a new one.

One could also sell their current switch and put that towards a new one.
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Boblin the Goblin Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Wasn't even two years.

For some, it wasn't even 6 months, or even less, since they got one. Same with the Switch. Any timeline is arbitrary.

Looking at the differences between LCD and OLED, there doesn't really seem to be much. One does a bit better in one area then the other, as well as the reverse, so they balance out. LCD may even have a bit of an edge as it has a lower, overall power consumption. Something good for a device that uses a battery.

If someone wan'ts a discount, they can simply wait for a sale. There is also the option of buying a the new display and installing it. Likely a better option as it is an even bigger discount then getting a slight discount on a new one.

One could also sell their current switch and put that towards a new one.


Supposedly the new display can't be put on the OG Deck because they had to change a bit more than just the screen.

But time will tell.
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nullable Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:
Originally posted by nullable:

What makes two years some magic number then? Seems arbitrary to me.

Wasn't even two years.

Well it wasn't even 5 years for the OLED Switch, if we're gonna split hairs both ends need to be exact.
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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:
Looking at the differences between LCD and OLED, there doesn't really seem to be much. One does a bit better in one area then the other, as well as the reverse, so they balance out. LCD may even have a bit of an edge as it has a lower, overall power consumption. Something good for a device that uses a battery.

The OLED screen is objectively better and the OLED model is more power efficient.
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Mad Scientist Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:05am 
Variants are still full price unless on a sale, simple as that.
Kind of like if you want a newer version of a GPU that comes out a few months later, you still need to buy the product if you want the product, people tend to sell the original to put towards the newer, so that's always an option.

If you want a variant, buy it.
If you don't want to pay the full price, sell the original then buy the variant.
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76561199559798421 Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:06am 
i find that mobile gaming tends to be uncomfortable, and that any prolonged use of a heavy mobile device will cause pain to your wrists, be warned that while the idea of mobile gaming is a nice one, the function of such things are still in development and heavier weights of today's mobile devices cause strain upon the user.

at this time we do not have enough information to say what harmful medical issues things such as Vr. and Mobile gaming with heavy devices will cause to a users long term health.
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FOXDUDE69 Nov 9, 2023 @ 11:15am 
Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:
i find that mobile gaming tends to be uncomfortable, and that any prolonged use of a heavy mobile device will cause pain to your wrists,

I feel like the ergonomics of the Steam Deck are top tier and despite it's weight, it's remarkably comfy. I played 3 hours of Brotato on it with no discomfort this summer.

Steam Deck OLED is 5% lighter btw.
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