Re-Sell Games

[Jenshae]

We can re-sell skins, frequently worth more than games.
I played a game for zero time because it has a third party launcher, which I am not comfortable giving my personal data.
No refund.
Can't resell it.

Why not?
You have the price, make sure that we can't sell it for more than we paid. No profit incentive.
You already have delays on the community market, put a delay on selling games for stolen accounts.
The sold value goes into your Steam Wallet and not your bank account, so it will still get spent on Valve and a game studio, increasing revenue.

What other loop holes could people use to abuse this?

Edit: I am also open to the idea of Steam and the game studio getting a % cut, instead of the complete waste I have had deleting two games from my account.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by brian9824:

More importantly why would the studio want to allow someone to sell a used game for less then the price of the new game?

You have just exchanged an angry player for a happy one.
The pool of money only grows.
You already got the money for that game license and the buyer of the second hand game may well have not bought your game anyway.

By the same token, now people have money from the re-sale of games to buy yours and that money is locked into Steam.

I am also open to the idea of Steam and the game studio getting a % cut, instead of the complete waste I have had deleting two games from my account.

Except if the developer was ok with selling the game at a lesser price they'd just do a sale. The only way used game sales would work is if hte developer and steam gets to set the price, Otherwise people would just buy 1 game and then "sell" it to all their friends for $1 or as cheap as possible after they beat it which would cost developers millions.

Developers actively try to STOP used game sales

[cinedine]

Even if you post an already existing solution, people still insist about problems that this solution has already solved. I just love the Steam community. Completely ignoring the outisde world, worrying about problems that are not theirs to solve and putting Valve on a pedestal but at the same time doesn't trust them to come up with a solution that others already proven is possible.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by cinedine:

Even if you post an already existing solution, people still insist about problems that this solution has already solved. I just love the Steam community. Completely ignoring the outisde world, worrying about problems that are not theirs to solve and putting Valve on a pedestal but at the same time doesn't trust them to come up with a solution that others already proven is possible.

Anything is possible, however discussing the problems with ideas and why they are likely to not be implemented especially when people don't search and re-post the same things is important.

Most of us are able to discuss these features in a productive way, others.....not so much sadly.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

You have just exchanged an angry player for a happy one.
The pool of money only grows.

70% of a $60 Store purchase Vs 70% of a $2 resold game purchase

Guess which one will developers pick 10 out of 10 times.

Originally posted by Jenshae:

I am also open to the idea of Steam and the game studio getting a % cut, instead of the complete waste I have had deleting two games from my account.

Consider physical game resale only works because there's a part (the developer) who doesn't get any money out of every resale.

And devs aren't going to settle for a meager share like in the marketplace. Remember what happened to the dev share with paid mods.

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Remember one of the reasons people threw a tantrum during the paid mods days was the revenue share of the price of any mod went 70% game dev, 10% Steam 20% mod developer.

[Jenshae]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Jenshae:

You have just exchanged an angry player for a happy one.
The pool of money only grows.

70% of a $60 Store purchase Vs 70% of a $2 resold game purchase

Guess which one will developers pick 10 out of 10 times.

There are already game keys for those prices.
This would at least mean some of it goes to the developer.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

70% of a $60 Store purchase Vs 70% of a $2 resold game purchase

Guess which one will developers pick 10 out of 10 times.

There are already game keys for those prices.
This would at least mean some of it goes to the developer.

those keys are normally sold on grey markets that get their keys from where ever they find them, this includes stolen keys, keys bought with stolen payment information, used keys, fake keys, demo keys being advertised as full game keys, base game keys being advertised as bundle keys, out of region keys, etc, etc, etc. legit sites get their keys from the developer/publisher and then pay for those keys what was agreed to. a grey market cuts the game developer out of the loop completely.

if you want to resell your games, then use a different platform. robot cache lets you resell them. ever notice how you rarely ever hear about them? they were planning on being the big thing that takes on Steam. then Epic showed up and tossed them off the side of the mountain.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

70% of a $60 Store purchase Vs 70% of a $2 resold game purchase

Guess which one will developers pick 10 out of 10 times.

There are already game keys for those prices.
This would at least mean some of it goes to the developer.

That would be another thing that would vanish if this were to happen... Developers would stop selling the game keys on other websites and stop putting them in bundles and stop giving them away like they do now and then.

Personally I like getting games at 90% off or more with most of that money going to the developer. But its THEIR choice to put the games in bundles and sell them that cheap.

Having a secondary market for used digital games is just not going to happen because they are still selling those games somewhere and getting what they want for them.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Originally posted by Jenshae:

There are already game keys for those prices.
This would at least mean some of it goes to the developer.

That would be another thing that would vanish if this were to happen... Developers would stop selling the game keys on other websites and stop putting them in bundles and stop giving them away like they do now and then.

Personally I like getting games at 90% off or more with most of that money going to the developer. But its THEIR choice to put the games in bundles and sell them that cheap.

Having a secondary market for used digital games is just not going to happen because they are still selling those games somewhere and getting what they want for them.

lets not forget that steam keys are limited based on how many copies of the game are sold on steam. the dev's get a limited amount, if they want more, they need to sell more copies thru steam.

[Jenshae]

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

That would be another thing that would vanish if this were to happen... Developers would stop selling the game keys on other websites and stop putting them in bundles and stop giving them away like they do now and then.

Personally I like getting games at 90% off or more with most of that money going to the developer. But its THEIR choice to put the games in bundles and sell them that cheap.

Having a secondary market for used digital games is just not going to happen because they are still selling those games somewhere and getting what they want for them.

lets not forget that steam keys are limited based on how many copies of the game are sold on steam. the dev's get a limited amount, if they want more, they need to sell more copies thru steam.

That is a "computer says 'No.'" answer.

[Crashed]

Are any of these threads influenced by dodgy websites, perhaps spamming Steam to make their operations a bit more legit?

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Are any of these threads influenced by dodgy websites, perhaps spamming Steam to make their operations a bit more legit?

Lately I'm more inclined to see astroturfing where I usually didn't see it. And it's days like these where I miss my superpowers a bit.

[Vector3D]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

lets not forget that steam keys are limited based on how many copies of the game are sold on steam. the dev's get a limited amount, if they want more, they need to sell more copies thru steam.

That is a "computer says 'No.'" answer.

This is a computers answer:

The inability to resell digital video games, unlike previous physical copies, is primarily due to the shift towards digital distribution and licensing models. When purchasing a digital game, users typically acquire a license to access and play the game, rather than owning a physical copy that can be resold. This change in distribution methods has been driven by various factors, including convenience, accessibility, and the ability to provide regular updates and additional content to users. While this may limit the ability to resell digital games, it also offers benefits such as instant access and a wider selection of available titles.

I guess us 80's must keep drooling about how it was back then

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Are any of these threads influenced by dodgy websites, perhaps spamming Steam to make their operations a bit more legit?

Lately I'm more inclined to see astroturfing where I usually didn't see it. And it's days like these where I miss my superpowers a bit.

That's a term I miss hearing back from the MyWOT forums. (RIP)

[Jenshae]

Originally posted by Randot:

The inability to resell digital video games, unlike previous physical copies, is primarily due to the shift towards digital distribution and licensing models. When purchasing a digital game, users typically acquire a license to access and play the game, rather than owning a physical copy that can be resold. This change in distribution methods has been driven by various factors, including convenience, accessibility, and the ability to provide regular updates and additional content to users. While this may limit the ability to resell digital games, it also offers benefits such as instant access and a wider selection of available titles.

I guess us 80's must keep drooling about how it was back then

... and yet Steam still takes a 30% cut without any physical production and distribution.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by Randot:

I guess us 80's must keep drooling about how it was back then

... and yet Steam still takes a 30% cut without any physical production and distribution.

As does most every other digital marketplace.