DLC-related achievements should only be available to the players with the DLC installed.

[Wibiz]

It's really annoying when you try to 100% a game only to find out that there's a DLC you need to purchase in order to get the last ones. And since not anyone has that kind of money I think it should be better if the players without the DLC had the opportunity to get all of the achievements getting 100% without spending any more money.

DLC stands for "downloadable content" anyway, so why make it "obligatory content" in terms of achievements?

[Count_Dandyman]

100% stands for everything so why should you be entitled to get it if you don't have/do everything?

[Aachen]

Achievements aren’t obligatory in the first place, but if you have such an issue with paying for the DLC, in most circumstances SAM is an option.

Origineel geplaatst door Count_Dandyman:

100% stands for everything so why should you be entitled to get it if you don't have/do everything?

Mhmm. If the achievements for a game’s DLC don’t belong as part of that game, which will they associate with?

[cinedine]

Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Achievements aren’t obligatory in the first place, but if you have such an issue with paying for the DLC, in most circumstances SAM is an option.

I really wish people would stop suggesting cheating to people who obviously care about their achievement.

And I'm with Count_Dandyman:
100 % is everything, that included added content through DLC. I can get behin separting DLC and base game, but there are some titles which require two or more DLCs to obtain one achievement.

[Wibiz]

Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Achievements aren’t obligatory in the first place, but if you have such an issue with paying for the DLC, in most circumstances SAM is an option.

I've used SAM in certain circumstances where I felt like it was justifiable, such as the achievement being glitched out. I tend to avoid this method however because I don't feel good about it, at all, and I like the feeling of getting them legitimately.

SAM is also precarious because you get VAC banned on games which have the VAC-security on it, and if you forget to double check this factoid your account is screwed.

[Satoru]

Why do achievement hunters actually seem to hate the 'hunting' part of what they purport they want to actually do

[Infected Shogun]

I like how playstation has it tbh, not that big of a deal tho.

[Aachen]

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

I really wish people would stop suggesting cheating to people who obviously care about their achievement. :lunar2019deadpanpig: ....

My read of the OP is more “to care about completion percentage” than “to care about achievements.”

And, FWiW, I agree that DLC should be folded into the applicable game.

Whether one supports the use of SAM et. al. in any circumstance aside, it does exist and someone more concerned about %%% than owning all a title’s content may want to be aware of it. Sorry if I offend your sensibilities doing so.

[Crazy Tiger]

Origineel geplaatst door Wibiz:

SAM is also precarious because you get VAC banned on games which have the VAC-security on it, and if you forget to double check this factoid your account is screwed.

Except that SAM doesn't cause VAC-bans.

There have been developers who gave game bans for it, though. Payday 2 devs were known for it, but it seems they stopped doing that somewhere in 2018.

[cinedine]

Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Sorry if I offend your sensibilities doing so. :Gifting::e_hands::lunar2020lazypig:

No need to be patronising. It's simply stupid that everytime the topic off unobtainable achievements - be it bugged, glitched or behind a paywall - SAM is brought up.
You wouldn't suggest using an aimbot if someone commplains about being bad in multiplayer, would you? So why suggest cheating achievements?

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

Origineel geplaatst door Wibiz:

SAM is also precarious because you get VAC banned on games which have the VAC-security on it, and if you forget to double check this factoid your account is screwed.

Except that SAM doesn't cause VAC-bans.

There have been developers who gave game bans for it, though. Payday 2 devs were known for it, but it seems they stopped doing that somewhere in 2018.

Dead by Daylight are also pretty harsh for cheating achievements in any way including resetting them, IIRC. And it's at your own risk having it running (or even using) while being connected to an anti-cheat enabled server, not just VAC.

[Count_Dandyman]

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

Origineel geplaatst door Wibiz:

SAM is also precarious because you get VAC banned on games which have the VAC-security on it, and if you forget to double check this factoid your account is screwed.

Except that SAM doesn't cause VAC-bans.

There have been developers who gave game bans for it, though. Payday 2 devs were known for it, but it seems they stopped doing that somewhere in 2018.

Payday 2 didnt even game ban for it they community banned which cut those that did it off from items that required community membership.

[Sweet Tooth]

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

Dead by Daylight

Atm Steam has about 50000 games. And only 3 or 4 of those 50000 games will punish you for using SAM. DbD, TF2, Payday 2 and that gey sandbox i always forgot.

[Aachen]

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

No need to be patronising ....

No intent to patronize—the advice clearly bothers you.

.... It's simply stupid that everytime the topic off unobtainable achievements - be it bugged, glitched or behind a paywall - SAM is brought up.
You wouldn't suggest using an aimbot if someone commplains about being bad in multiplayer, would you? So why suggest cheating achievements? ....

I also wouldn’t treat the two separate situations as entirely analogous.

[cinedine]

Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

No need to be patronising ....

No intent to patronize—the advice clearly bothers you.

.... It's simply stupid that everytime the topic off unobtainable achievements - be it bugged, glitched or behind a paywall - SAM is brought up.
You wouldn't suggest using an aimbot if someone commplains about being bad in multiplayer, would you? So why suggest cheating achievements? ....

I also wouldn’t treat the two separate situations as entirely analogous.

Yes it bothers me in so far that you are promoting cheating. That's not even a point of view issue. It's plain cheating. Achievements on Steam are already as much of a joke as it gets without people on the forum continously promoting a cheat tool.
The situations are the same. If you comptete on global leaderboards or for rarity cheaters will ruin it for you. Just because the "game" is different doesn't make it less of a cheat.

Unlocking achievements this way also prevents developers from fixing their broken games by either denying an achievement is broken because 1.2 % of the playerbase have unlocked it or outright refering you to this tool.

You can even argue that in this case you are promoting piracy. Achievements are content. Some games are nothing but achievements. And unlocking content without paying ... yeah, it's piracy.

And lastly and most importantly what's even the bloody point of suggesting it? Any discussion about achievements can be solved by "just use SAM". That's not an environment where anything gets done.
broken achievements - just use SAM
reset achievments - just use SAM
delete achievements from history - just use SAM
make achievments more fun - will never happen because everyone suggest using SAM

Just browse this very board. You will find more than enough examples for it.

[Sweet Tooth]

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

Just browse this very board. You will find more than enough examples for it.

Using SAM is a legit sugestion and only way to at least somehow fix devs incompetence. Like unofficial patches (totally a musthave for The Sims 3) or fan-made localizations.
Another example, i purchaced Divinity 2 box edition on release, which was totally broken and doesnt launch further than first 3 sec of intro. No (working) patch for that edition, even 10 years after release. So on yours, i have no right to use unofficial patch to fix dev's mistake and make game work because its a piracy and dev's holy will shall not be doubt.

Also, all of your arguments are invalid and a pure lie. Like, SAM cant delete achievements from history, only hide those on profile level. As a proof, when you get prevously erased achievements, your achievement counter doesnt increase.

Origineel geplaatst door Wibiz:

DLC stands for "downloadable content" anyway, so why make it "obligatory content" in terms of achievements?

Not since mid-00's. Nowdays most of DLCs work as unlocks for content you was forced to download with obligatory patches.
Anyways, semi-agree here. Depends on game. I love how PDX added new achievements to Crusader Kings 2 with every major DLC.

[Gambit-3k]

I agree on the main point and while sadly I doubt it's possible to change how the system works now, it is annoying that your achievement completion is based on achievements for content you haven't purchased and therefore haven't played.