removing the free to play title from greedy games with scummy economic methods in game

[Fluxie]

here im thinking of a game like war thunder, they over the years made it increasingly insane to play for free, they are forcing people into paying money to sustain or to get over the mindless grind to unlock vehicles, normally i think if a game is free and it has the grind vs spend some money to skip the grind its all fair, but at this stage its just gotten to a a disgusting point where the grind will take months of your life to get anywhere, then adding more economic changes that are just screwing over the player base and using some rather scummy ways to push the ideas through, latest big one was making the community decide if the they wanted to change the formula of reward on win / loses, and since people are not bright enough to do basic math or logically thinking, this resulted in the entire community getting giga shafted. i think at this point we need to consider that if a "free to play" game is making it so greedy and scummy that an avg person cant sustain playing the entire game for free, then such a game need to lose its privilege of being called a free to play title

each patch they are also just making more and more p2w broken ♥♥♥♥ that forces people to pay to stand a decent chance of winning and sadly atm its also just added a strange amount of russian propaganda which is also kinda disgusting

i personally think that games should be held accountable for their actions, how they treat their player base, it used to be that premiums were balanced and part of the game, but since they screwed over the player base so hard, people will join matches, using their premium vehicles and if they die they just leave the game, which screws over the entire match, you will have half your team leave since they are only premium players and they cant afford to play without it, so they dont even try, its a terrible thing for the community as a whole and because of all these bad additions and just scummy practices i think that gaijin should have their free to play listing removed

i hope other people would agree with me so that we can all enjoy games that are claiming to be free to play, rather then seeing the insane pay wall that keeps growing over time while still pretending to be free to play

[J4MESOX4D]

Games like War Thunder have huge operating costs and have hundreds of full time employees on their books. They have to make money somehow and not all F2P titles are catered towards cheapskate freeriders. If you don't like the business model or aren't willing to pay for premium elements then go play something else instead.

These games don't magically fund themselves and developers don't get paid their wages out of thin air.

[Crazy Tiger]

A game being Pay 2 Win doesn't mean it's not Free to Play. The FTP label isn't a "privilege", nor is it incorrect.

[BJWyler]

I've played War Thunder quite a bit. Never paid a dime, so I think it fits the Free to Play category to a "T".

Free to Play had been in existence for as long, if not longer than the subscription based model. It's a viable and proven business model.

You know what's a really scummy Pay to Win business model? Buy to Play with subscription. I bought the game, why should I have to keep paying in order to play the game I bought. Why should I have to buy additional content whenever an expansion pack comes out? Every time that happens, people buying that additional content are Paying to Win.

[Tito Shivan]

You not liking a F2P game monetization doesn't make it less of a F2P game.

Consider you may not be the target of certain games.

[infinitetech]

"in game purchases" would be the tag most other storefronts use

[Sleepy Yoshi]

If it's not listed as free to play then what should it be listed as?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 infinitetech：

"in game purchases" would be the tag most other storefronts use

In-App Purchases is listed in the Features section.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

引用自 infinitetech：

"in game purchases" would be the tag most other storefronts use

In-App Purchases is listed in the Features section.

:qr:

Though not always used. I know of at least one game that has yet to add it to their store, despite having added them to the game years ago.

It is something I wish Valve would be more strict on.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

In-App Purchases is listed in the Features section.

Though not always used. I know of at least one game that has yet to add it to their store, despite having added them to the game years ago.

It is something I wish Valve would be more strict on.

I fully agree that they should have it listed as a Feature, like War Thunder did.

[Fluxie]

引用自 J4MESOX4D：

Games like War Thunder have huge operating costs and have hundreds of full time employees on their books. They have to make money somehow and not all F2P titles are catered towards cheapskate freeriders. If you don't like the business model or aren't willing to pay for premium elements then go play something else instead.

These games don't magically fund themselves and developers don't get paid their wages out of thin air.

you do get that if you have to pay for premium to enjoy the game and not have to worry about losing money, then its not free to play any more... your argument literally point out the flaw with it being called f2p when its pay premium to play......

[Fluxie]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

A game being Pay 2 Win doesn't mean it's not Free to Play. The FTP label isn't a "privilege", nor is it incorrect.

if forcing players to buy premium to not have to worry about the terrible eco system that will cause lots of people to lose money, particularly in the higher end of the game, then yes it is incorrect

[Fluxie]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

You not liking a F2P game monetization doesn't make it less of a F2P game.

Consider you may not be the target of certain games.

try war thunder and then try a game like path of exile.... then maybe you will understand the difference between a F2P game and the pathetic excuse war thunder is under that title

[Tanoomba]

引用自 Fluxie：

you do get that if you have to pay for premium to enjoy the game and not have to worry about losing money, then its not free to play any more....

And you get that whether or not a F2P game is enjoyable without paying for premiums is entirely subjective, right?

引用自 Fluxie：

if forcing players to buy premium to not have to worry about the terrible eco system that will cause lots of people to lose money, particularly in the higher end of the game, then yes it is incorrect

Nobody is being "forced" to do anything. Heck, if you're not enjoying a F2P game, then you can stop playing it entirely at no personal loss whatsoever.

[BJWyler]

引用自 Fluxie：

you do get that if you have to pay for premium to enjoy the game and not have to worry about losing money, then its not free to play any more... your argument literally point out the flaw with it being called f2p when its pay premium to play......

引用自 Fluxie：

if forcing players to buy premium to not have to worry about the terrible eco system that will cause lots of people to lose money, particularly in the higher end of the game, then yes it is incorrect

I guess you missed this one, or just purposely ignored it, which isn't surprising:

引用自 BJWyler：

I've played War Thunder quite a bit. Never paid a dime, so I think it fits the Free to Play category to a "T".

引用自 Fluxie：

try war thunder and then try a game like path of exile.... then maybe you will understand the difference between a F2P game and the pathetic excuse war thunder is under that title

I have played both. In fact, I play dozens of Free to Play titles, and never felt forced to pay one single penny in any of them. A few I have spent money in because I enjoyed playing so much, I wanted to show my appreciation to the developers.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Fluxie：

try war thunder and then try a game like path of exile.... then maybe you will understand the difference between a F2P game and the pathetic excuse war thunder is under that title

I don't like either, to be honest. But then what I do is not playing those games. Removing the F2P tag from those games isn't going to strongarm them into changing their ways.