Harley Jul 12, 2016 @ 6:09am
Duplicate Games & Family Sharing
I realize this may have been discussed before but, it really irks me that if I buy a game twice I still only own one copy. This feels like highway robbery. I'm planning to buy a package, half of the games I already own. Why on earth can I not gift the copies to say my mom, or sister? If I ordered two cheeseburgers at McDonalds they wouldn't say, "No sorry, you only get one burger but we're happy to keep your money for the second burger."

Please someone help me understand this policy. I really like Steam, have bought a lot of games through them. I want to think there's a legit reason for this but I really don't get it.

On a similar note, I do not understand the way the family share is setup. I added my mother, she mainly plays HOGs, nothing multiplayer. Everytime I turn on my computer she gets booted out of whatever she's playing (from my library). It is very difficult to try to explain to an older person why they are being kicked out of the game because I simply turned my computer on at my house. (yes I know I can take Steam out of startup but she'd still get booted when I login to Steam eventually)

If I'm not playing a game, why can't she play it? Maybe I'm getting old but try as I may I still see these games as physical items (like you know back when we actually left the house to buy discs lol) If I have 200+ games and want to let someone (especially a frickin family member) play one while I play a completely different game, what exactly is the issue?

I'd apologize for rant but it feels good to let off some STEAM so nah
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Spawn of Totoro Jul 12, 2016 @ 6:31am 
Packages:

You get the package at a deeper discount. It would not be as much of a discount if they gave giftable copies.

When buying a package, check the price of what you want from the package vs the cost of the package. If it is cheaper to get the package, then do so as you are getting a larger discount.

Some packages are now dynamic, so it removes the games you own from the cost. The use of this is up to the developer.


Family Share:

Not when you boot up your computer, but when you run a game. When you share your library, you share the enitre library.

Sounds like you are not using family share, but have allowed her to use the same account as you. The Steam account can only be logged in on one client at any given time. Family share doesn't kick someone when you log-in to Steam. It gives a 5 minute warning before closing the game for the other user.

I suggest setting her up with her own account and using family share. If you are not playing an on-line game, you can run in off-line mode and she can still play (she will still need to be in on-line mode).
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Harley Jul 12, 2016 @ 7:06am 
She has her own account, she gets booted out of any game she is playing (from my shared library) as soon as I login to Steam.

I like the idea of auto removing duplicates from cost. I haven't had it happen yet personally but would be nice. Also, yes I know the packages are deeply discounted. That really has nothing to do with anything. If you and I buy the same package for the same amount of money, we should both conclude our transactions with the same number of ADDITIONAL games added to our libraries. Basically it's like being punished for buying multiple copies of a game. Like I said, I've not seen the price auto-lowered for duplicates in a package but that would solve the problem.
Spawn of Totoro Jul 12, 2016 @ 7:14am 
Originally posted by Celayna:
She has her own account, she gets booted out of any game she is playing (from my shared library) as soon as I login to Steam.

That only happends when both are using the same account. My wife and son share my games and neither of them get kicked out when I log-in to Steam.

May want to double check that she is logged in. You may have forgotten to remove your account and log her back in when setting up family share.

Originally posted by Celayna:
Also, yes I know the packages are deeply discounted. That really has nothing to do with anything. If you and I buy the same package for the same amount of money, we should both conclude our transactions with the same number of ADDITIONAL games added to our libraries. Basically it's like being punished for buying multiple copies of a game. Like I said, I've not seen the price auto-lowered for duplicates in a package but that would solve the problem.

Yes, it does. As I said, if it wasn't like that, then the package would not be getting as big of a discount. The dynamic packages are getting less of an overall percent off because owned games are boing removed.

As it stands now with the dynamic system, even with game being removed, there is now a minimal amount games need to be or the package isn't even purchasable. This ammount is what is neede to cover the costs of the transaction.

And as I said, it is up to the developer to use the dynamic package system, just as it is up to the developer if they wish to allow extra copies (though most don't).
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Harley Jul 12, 2016 @ 7:25am 
Something is screwy here. I can see her online, (on her own account, on her own computer) and she's telling me that she was booted out of game. My main complaint with family share is that I am unable to play game A while she is playing game B. Maybe my account is just screwed up. Can your family play games you are not currently playing (while you play another, different game)

Is it possible that you're all using the same computer at different times? That would explain why you've never had this issue or, like I said, something is very wrong with my (or my mother's) account.
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Marble Jul 12, 2016 @ 8:11am 
Originally posted by Celayna:
My main complaint with family share is that I am unable to play game A while she is playing game B.
That is working as intended.

Family sharing is for multiple accounts to have their own save data, achievements, inventory etc. For a shared living room PC, for example.

It is not meant for getting around buying games for your own account.
Spawn of Totoro Jul 12, 2016 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Celayna:
Something is screwy here. I can see her online, (on her own account, on her own computer) and she's telling me that she was booted out of game. My main complaint with family share is that I am unable to play game A while she is playing game B. Maybe my account is just screwed up. Can your family play games you are not currently playing (while you play another, different game)

Is it possible that you're all using the same computer at different times? That would explain why you've never had this issue or, like I said, something is very wrong with my (or my mother's) account.

Nope. My wife often plays games while I am logged in and using the forums. If she is playing a shared game, I'll just log-in in off-line mode to play a game, otherwise she will get a warning and have to stop playing. Most my games are single player, so it isn't an issue.

What you are saying now is diffrent then what you said before. Previously you said that she was getting booted when you turned on you computer and Steam started.

If it is only when you start a game, then that is intentional. The library can only be used by one person at a time. When you use family share, you share the entire library, not parts of the library. This is unlikely to change as it was the compromise with game developers. Otherwise the developers do have the option to opt out of their game being shared to begin with.

Family sharing isn't inteneded to let everyone share their library with no restrictions. Otherwise people would be charing others to use their library. There are aleady enough issue with people sharing their account infromation with stranger just to share games. At least limiting it to one account using the library limits the isssues it can cause.

Remember, Valve has two sets of customers. The users and the developers/publishers. They have to maintain a balance between the needs and want of both. If a group of 5 people can share the same game with out restrictions, then the developers view that as 4 lost sales. If only one can use the library, then others are encouraged to buy their own copies of the games.
Harley Jul 12, 2016 @ 8:46am 
Ty for replies. She's telling me both are happening. When I login AND when I play games (she could possibly be confused, she is older). My main problem is with the latter. Just because something is working as intended doesn't mean it's correct, on principal.I couldn't honestly give a rat's behind about whether or not developers want me to share my HOG with my 70 year old mother lol. In my eyes my digital purchase should be = to a physical representation of an object.

If my library is one object (not 200+ seperate objects) why is there a seperate transaction for each game? Maybe there should just be a monthly fee to acces every game available on Steam, better yet a one time membership fee. (no this isn't a serious suggestion, that would be stupid).

The digital mindset is mind boggling. I just can't see it. It's like I basically don't own these games at all. Steam owns them all and I just pay for them to allow me to play it.

I still like Steam but this stuff has me checking out GOG and other options a bit lately. :steamsad:
Spawn of Totoro Jul 12, 2016 @ 9:03am 
Just because something is working as intended doesn't mean it's correct, on principal.

Diffrent people and diffrent principals.

I couldn't honestly give a rat's behind about whether or not developers want me to share my HOG with my 70 year old mother lol. In my eyes my digital purchase should be = to a physical representation of an object.

The same can be said the opposite way to. One sided thinking will only lead to one conclusion and that is that side you are on is the right side.

The developers feel justified in not allowing sharing to begin with. Users feel justified in saying that they should be allowed to do what they want with the game. Valve takes the middle ground and balances the two.

Neither side gets what they want, but both sides get what works for the majority on both sides.

If my library is one object (not 200+ seperate objects) why is there a seperate transaction for each game? Maybe there should just be a monthly fee to acces every game available on Steam, better yet a one time membership fee. (no this isn't a serious suggestion, that would be stupid).

A game license is tied to one account. You do not buy games, you buy access to said games. I suggest reading the SSA as this is stated in there.

You even agreed to it when making the account and with every purchase.

A one time fee would cost you ten of thousands. These games, can cost as much as 60 million to make. A subscription would not be enough to cover the costs of making the games. Developers need to sell millions of copies with in the first few weeks, or they take a loss. That make them make fewer and less quality games. It becomes a lose/lose situation.

Originally posted by Celayna:
The digital mindset is mind boggling. I just can't see it. It's like I basically don't own these games at all. Steam owns them all and I just pay for them to allow me to play it.

As most who are used to one way tend to feel. Things change, markets change, industry changes. Remember when Apple used to only sell computers? Now they make tablets and phones. Remember when you had to talk to a teller at the bank? Then came ATMs, then online banking.

All required a diffrent mindset. Some adapted, some did not.

Originally posted by Celayna:
I still like Steam but this stuff has me checking out GOG and other options a bit lately. :steamsad:

Feel free. That is why options exist. The issue with GOG though, they don't have newer games. If you like older games and some indi titles, then it could work for you.
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Harley Jul 13, 2016 @ 1:18pm 
Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:
Nope. My wife often plays games while I am logged in and using the forums. If she is playing a shared game, I'll just log-in in off-line mode to play a game, otherwise she will get a warning and have to stop playing. Most my games are single player, so it isn't an issue.

I double checked. Mom was correct but it might be my fault for misunderstanding (regarding boot at login). I often close my laptop without actually logging off of a game. So I'm idle (these are not MMO's) & when I login on computer, I'm already on Steam AND have a game running.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:
As most who are used to one way tend to feel. Things change, markets change, industry changes. Remember when Apple used to only sell computers? Now they make tablets and phones. Remember when you had to talk to a teller at the bank? Then came ATMs, then online banking.

All required a diffrent mindset. Some adapted, some did not.

I remember people writing with pens & pencils, having one phone for the whole household that was connected to a wall, & books only being written (printed) on paper. Some progress is good, others meh. For instance, when I bought my laptop, it arrives without a dvd drive! At first I thought it was an error lol.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:
Feel free. That is why options exist. The issue with GOG though, they don't have newer games. If you like older games and some indi titles, then it could work for you.

As for GOG, I think if they had more new games, a better community system etc., they would be healthy competition for Steam. But, ye, as it stands there is definitely a lot less to choose from over there.

Back to the duplicate games. I'm having other family members (on their own Steam accounts, that do not own any games in package) price compare. The prices are exactly the same (thus far) for them as for me. I'm still not okay withat part of things. If I'm paying the same price they are, shouldn't I get the same # of games? :steamsad:
Marble Jul 13, 2016 @ 2:17pm 
Originally posted by Celayna:
I'm having other family members (on their own Steam accounts, that do not own any games in package) price compare. The prices are exactly the same (thus far) for them as for me. I'm still not okay withat part of things. If I'm paying the same price they are, shouldn't I get the same # of games? :steamsad:

That's entirely down to the publisher of the package. Steam allows them to give discounts for customers already owning parts of a package, it's up to them to implement it.
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