Show when a game have Denuvo (like it does with GFWL, SecuROM, etc).

[Arthurion]

TL;DR: display the info "Game have third-party DRM: Denuvo". If you don't see a problem, continue and buy the game. But some people (like me) doesn't like it.

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Some games that are on steam still have third-party DRM like SecuRom, GFWL, etc (hello GTA IV). While this is something related to the developers/publishers, at least we (consumers) could know when the game have some of those ♥♥♥♥.

I guess everyone here still on Steam because we purchase games. Is not like just a discussion of "game lovers", so I'm not going to talk about "piracy" (even because there aren't numbers that help us with a good discussion), but as a consumer of Steam I don't see why purchase a game that have a third-party DRM.

So thanks to steam I can avoid those almost unplayable games like GTA IV on PC, not due to the port but due to the DRMs. I even purchase this game once, and I get refund because I spent almost 20 minutes just to setup everything (GFWL was the buggest one).

But then we have Denuvo, and they stay saying "Denuvo isn't a DRM, just an anti-tamper", but yeah, it is a DRM, it have impact over your freedom to play a game you already paid for. So I avoid those game on PC too. The problem is Steam doesn't display any info that the game have this, and we must go on the Denuvo page on Wikipedia to seek out.

This is my suggestion: display the info "Game have third-party DRM: Denuvo" (or even "anti-tampe"), so the users would not be fooled and put money on pre-order on this games. On past, some DRMs have problems when the OS advanced some versions, and DRMs area a trouble for Game Preservation. I would use GOG if I could purchase my games without International Credit Cards, so I still with Steam/PSN here. And even if it was, I don't see why I couldn't still using Steam. But Denuvo make me avoid the Pre-orders, and I go on without playing those game anyway.

Thanks for reading :)

[Washell]

Given the success rates of Denuvo, the issue will solve itself because you'll be able to assume every game is using it.

[Aimbot]

denuvo is antitamper, denuvo solutions said so.

[Arthurion]

If it is just an antitamper, I guess we could see some game with Denuvo on GOG/Humblebundle DRM-free nowdays, but it isn't.

Also, Denuvo was cracked on some games, so I wouldn't say it is so sucessful, but that isn't the point of the discussion. Denuvo can stand between me and the game if some thing (like change the hardware) happens, so for me is like a DRM and Steam should inform the custumers.

[TheAmberFox]

Personally I dont think Denuvo has any significant impact

But i agree that the people who buy the game should know of its existance.
Then again you can just google the wikipedia list which also includes upcoming games with Denuvo Here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

[Washell]

Originally posted by Astorius:

Also, Denuvo was cracked on some games

Yeah, but with games having a marketing/hype push that peaks at launch, having Denuvo cracked months later is like breaking into a bakery to steal a 6 month old moldy cake. Congrats, you succeeded, but no one is really interested any more. They either bought it or passed on it, and the few people pirating it this late were never ever going to buy it anyway. Thus, it's successful beyond any anti-piracy tool in the past two decades.

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Astorius:

But then we have Denuvo, and they stay saying "Denuvo isn't a DRM, just an anti-tamper", but yeah, it is a DRM, it have impact over your freedom to play a game you already paid for. So I avoid those game on PC too. The problem is Steam doesn't display any info that the game have this, and we must go on the Denuvo page on Wikipedia to seek out.

Denuvo needs to activate once after an installation and once after any change of hardware. It's less intrusive than the DRM provided by Steam. Most "problems" people have with it either are debunked myths or come from other issues.

It has been the least intrusive and most effective DRM to date. And since it's very doubtful that DRM for games will ever vanish, we should rather be thankful for something like this instead of demonizing it.
Or do you rather have stuff like Targes with activation limits, uber-intrusive driver based DRM, always-online and all this other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we had forced upon us?

[TheAmberFox]

Originally posted by Washell:

Originally posted by Astorius:

Also, Denuvo was cracked on some games

Yeah, but with games having a marketing/hype push that peaks at launch, having Denuvo cracked months later is like breaking into a bakery to steal a 6 month old moldy cake. Congrats, you succeeded, but no one is really interested any more. They either bought it or passed on it, and the few people pirating it this late were never ever going to buy it anyway. Thus, it's successful beyond any anti-piracy tool in the past two decades.

Actually cracking Denuvo didnt take months at least for some games.

If i remember correctly, I read an article that MGSV was cracked just 1-2 week after release.
Really strange how some games take longer to crack than others.

Maybe its the hype? I dont see much hype on Fifa and it took months to crack but MGS5 was a different case.

[SoudeCaustix]

I'm personally interested by this request, something external to the game and steam shoud be written somewhere ... (even if I don't really care about denuvo security)

[Arthurion]

Originally posted by Washell:

Originally posted by Astorius:

Also, Denuvo was cracked on some games

Yeah, but with games having a marketing/hype push that peaks at launch, having Denuvo cracked months later is like breaking into a bakery to steal a 6 month old moldy cake. Congrats, you succeeded, but no one is really interested any more. They either bought it or passed on it, and the few people pirating it this late were never ever going to buy it anyway. Thus, it's successful beyond any anti-piracy tool in the past two decades.

Originally posted by cinedine:

Denuvo needs to activate once after an installation and once after any change of hardware. It's less intrusive than the DRM provided by Steam. Most "problems" people have with it either are debunked myths or come from other issues.

It has been the least intrusive and most effective DRM to date. And since it's very doubtful that DRM for games will ever vanish, we should rather be thankful for something like this instead of demonizing it.
Or do you rather have stuff like Targes with activation limits, uber-intrusive driver based DRM, always-online and all this other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we had forced upon us?

Again people, this isn't a discussion about piracy or the Steam as a DRM (there are a playground called "CrackStatus" for it). Everyone here is buying games. Denuvo can be "less" intrusive than Steam, but those games are in steam anyway (or Origin, or Uplay...).

I'm not against Denuvo for "problems on my hardware". I'm against the DRM as a whole thing. That's why a prefer GOG, but there are games only availabe on Steam and they take advantages (Valve games on the top), but as a costumer ON STEAM, I think I should be informed by STEAM when a game have another layer of DRM. Every game here have Steam as a DRM, do we need another? If we need, please show the info.

And just if anyone want talk about piracy again: people who go with cracked games will not buy Denuvo-protected-games. People who buy those could (and will) buy games without it. Denuvo don't mean "more sales", it means "no cracks for a long time". And yeah, I demonize DRM (games "online-only" counts on this too). Why? Because games are part of computer history, and we had games on the past that we can't play they anymore due to the DRMs. But if we'll go with DRMs, stay with Steam, that at least have an "offline mode" that let you play (some?) games in peace. A game can be pirated and still sell more than one game with Denuvo, because what count's is the quality of the game. The Witcher 3 is DRM-Free, and sell more than "Denuvo-Protected Games".

So, again, THIS IS NOT A POST ABOUT PIRACY, IS A POST ABOUT STEAM DON'T SHOWING A THIRD-PARTY DRM (oh sorry, I mean ANTI-TAMPER) CALLED "DENUVO" AT THE SAME TIME THEY SHOW OTHER LIKE SecuROM AND GFWL. If I need to go everytime to Wikipedia, I guess they could start they own plataform since they show more info, don't you think?

Originally posted by SoudeCaustix:

I'm personally interested by this request, something external to the game and steam shoud be written somewhere ... (even if I don't really care about denuvo security)

You got it. I don't have (much) problems with Uplay for example, but I want steam showing me everytime that a game needs this, because is a important information for costumers. For me, know when I game will have Denuvo is very important.