Please seperate Visual Novels from Games in your store

[Mickey]

Not sure why this needs to be said, but the store page has been overrun with visual novels and to a lesser extent movies for awhile now. It's endlessly frustrating searching for games and having so many visual novels and movies cluttering up the page.

Selling these different mediums on your platform is fine, while I personally won't spend $10-15 dollars on a visual novel, there's obviously alot of people who will. But forcing them to appear all over your page is almost as bad as when you guys had DLC cluttering up the majority of the front page - its the same thing.

But seeing as you are Valve, and you tend to move at a turtles pace, I don't anticipate this being fixed for a long time, but you guys need to get your act together and improve arguably the single most important part of your business in the store page before it ends up becoming an even bigger problem.

[Mickey]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

引用自 solarPULSER：

I disagree that they are games, but there is no point getting upset about it. Thats a false comparison regardless.

I don't see racing as games, yet they are. Driving simulators aren't fun to me.

Doesn't mean they are not games. You can not like it, but that doesn't change their classification.

I view them as interactive picture books in most cases. Either way my point about either being able to not see them on the page or move them altogether is valid, regardless.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

I don't think it really all that matters whether visual novels are games, honestly.

There are products in the store that one doesn't like to see. Whoop-dee doo.

This has been the case since stores were invented.

They're all tagged anyway, so Steam should just officially enable negative filtering on the store search so it's easier to get to.

Of course, the tagging isn't always accurate, like you get Barbie games tagged "horror" just because a sufficient number of bored teenagers think that it's funny to do so. Oh well.

Meanwhile, if anything, the occasional presence of visual novels will serve as a handy reminder that people with different tastes exist.



Now, if we're talking about how they keep showing up in the Discovery Queue, then that's because you've run out of more popular games for Steam to suggest to you.

[Mickey]

they actually implemented negative filtering for the queue already. They just need it to be part of the entire store page at this point.

[cinedine]

Thankfully you or my or anyone's definition of what defines a game is not taken in regard.
There is a very small subset of VNs which reduce the interactivity to "click to continue". Often they feature decission making, failure states and different endings, which is enough to make them games for most people.
As I said: TellTales latest games don't differ much, yet very few argue that they are not games.

You can make similar distinctions with Interactive Movies or Rail Shooters. Separating one kind of games with low level interactivity but having others still features is bigottery.

[Mickey]

引用自 cinedine：

Thankfully you or my or anyone's definition of what defines a game is not taken in regard.
There is a very small subset of VNs which reduce the interactivity to "click to continue". Often they feature decission making, failure states and different endings, which is enough to make them games for most people.
As I said: TellTales latest games don't differ much, yet very few argue that they are not games.

You can make similar distinctions with Interactive Movies or Rail Shooters. Separating one kind of games with low level interactivity but having others still features is bigottery.

You seriously called me a bigot for disagreeing that visual novels are games? Thats unnecessary. I never once made fun of or criticized peoples interest in them, I just stated I don't think theyre necessarily games and I personally don't enjoy them or want to see them. Frankly i'm insulted that you would call someone a bigot for that.

In most cases, the only difference between a physical book like a visual novel and one on steam is that it's displayed on a screen and you use a mouse to click, to me. I don't think that you can call them games, because it's not considered a game when the product is in physical form. This is for standard visual novels.

It would be like Valve releasing books on steam, but calling them 'games' if they have pictures in it and run inside an application.

[cinedine]

引用自 solarPULSER：

引用自 cinedine：

Thankfully you or my or anyone's definition of what defines a game is not taken in regard.
There is a very small subset of VNs which reduce the interactivity to "click to continue". Often they feature decission making, failure states and different endings, which is enough to make them games for most people.
As I said: TellTales latest games don't differ much, yet very few argue that they are not games.

You can make similar distinctions with Interactive Movies or Rail Shooters. Separating one kind of games with low level interactivity but having others still features is bigottery.

You seriously called me a bigot for disagreeing that visual novels are games? Thats unnecessary. I never once made fun of or criticized peoples interest in them, I just stated I don't think theyre necessarily games and I personally don't enjoy them or want to see them. Frankly i'm insulted that you would call someone a bigot for that.

I haven't. I say it would be if you actually do so.
But I would call you a biggot if you insist that VNs are not games while insisting that other stuff with around the same level of interactivity are. That's why said earlier, unless you ready to go in-depth what defines a game, there is little point in this discussion.

引用自 solarPULSER：

In most cases, the only difference between a physical book like a visual novel and one on steam is that it's displayed on a screen and you use a mouse to click, to me. I don't think that you can call them games, because it's not considered a game when the product is in physical form. This is for standard visual novels.

It would be like Valve releasing books on steam, but calling them 'games' if they have pictures in it.

And that is where you are dead wrong. There are VNs that are like that. But many feature decision making, RPG elements or even fighting or some kind. Heck, most JRPGs are little more than cutscenes between some fights.

[Mickey]

引用自 cinedine：

引用自 solarPULSER：

You seriously called me a bigot for disagreeing that visual novels are games? Thats unnecessary. I never once made fun of or criticized peoples interest in them, I just stated I don't think theyre necessarily games and I personally don't enjoy them or want to see them. Frankly i'm insulted that you would call someone a bigot for that.

I haven't. I say it would be if you actually do so.
But I would call you a biggot if you insist that VNs are not games while insisting that other stuff with around the same level of interactivity are. That's why said earlier, unless you ready to go in-depth what defines a game, there is little point in this discussion.

引用自 solarPULSER：

In most cases, the only difference between a physical book like a visual novel and one on steam is that it's displayed on a screen and you use a mouse to click, to me. I don't think that you can call them games, because it's not considered a game when the product is in physical form. This is for standard visual novels.

It would be like Valve releasing books on steam, but calling them 'games' if they have pictures in it.

And that is where you are dead wrong. There are VNs that are like that. But many feature decision making, RPG elements or even fighting or some kind. Heck, most JRPGs are little more than cutscenes between some fights.

and by extension, the people who would want that are 'bigots' don't know how you can think you werent calling me that, but ok.

In that case those games aren't visual novels, they are games with visual novel elements. A pure visual novel, even with interactivity/choices, is no different from a physical book other than it runs inside an application.

[Shockwave]

引用自 wuddih：

引用自 solarPULSER：

I never said it shouldn't be on the store. I said it should be seperated. I dont see whats wrong with that.

you said visual novels are not games.

then i want a seperation for everything, i gave you an example, every buttonmasher is a crowdsourced input device durability test simulator and not a game.

If yiou can win or lose it's a game. If you can't win or lose it's not a game. a visual novel isn't a game unless you can lose. Streetfighter is definately a game.

[Mickey]

引用自 Shockwave：

引用自 wuddih：

you said visual novels are not games.

then i want a seperation for everything, i gave you an example, every buttonmasher is a crowdsourced input device durability test simulator and not a game.

If yiou can win or lose it's a game. If you can't win or lose it's not a game. a visual novel isn't a game unless you can lose. Streetfighter is definately a game.

so that would make a choose-your-adventure novel a game? I don't necessarily agree there

[Satoru]

引用自 solarPULSER：

引用自 Shockwave：

If yiou can win or lose it's a game. If you can't win or lose it's not a game. a visual novel isn't a game unless you can lose. Streetfighter is definately a game.

so that would make a choose-your-adventure novel a game? I don't necessarily agree there

You don't have to 'agree' for it to be true. By your logic Zork isnt a 'game'

[Mickey]

引用自 Satoru：

引用自 solarPULSER：

so that would make a choose-your-adventure novel a game? I don't necessarily agree there

You don't have to 'agree' for it to be true

there is no truth, only perception. If you have a better argument, present it.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

You people are basically relitigating a long-standing question that has no proper answer without drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.

It's like those people who argue over whether RWBY is anime.

[Mickey]

引用自 Quint the Globular Springtail：

You people are basically relitigating a long-standing question that has no proper answer without drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.

It's like those people who argue over whether RWBY is anime.

that wasnt really the point of my post, but i should have the ability to limit what i dont want to see.

[Ryo]

visual novels are the only reason why i even use steam lmao

[Mickey]

1400 hours in garrys mod and a VACation also, but other than that its all VNs all the way!