A Reputation System: Yes or No?

[Mathew Mii]

I recently learned about what Microsoft had running in their Xbox Live service and I think it would be great to apply to not just Steam, but all online multiplayer gaming services. I also have reasons why it shouldn't.

So what does Microsoft have that Steam doesn't? The reputation system. As far as I know, it rates each player by their online gaming behavior in each category. The most notable ones are how they treat others and their sportsmanship. I like this idea because it will help those most vulnerable avoid harmful players. After all, everyone online deserves a space where they can express themselves; especially if they cannot in real life. It also eases down the competative scene a bit so newer players can feel more comfortable being new at the game.

I have a couple of reasons why this may not work: System abuse and a messy situation that may lead to ostracization. I do believe that there are some people out there that can and will abuse any provided system to change it from a form of protection to a weapon. There are also people that either don't empathize with others that much or flat out don't know how to problem solve. As a result, trolls can give a victim a bad reputation after provoking them (provoking makes people not themselves, you know?), someone can use this to win an argument, and lead to the second problem: Ostracization. This won't be such a big deal in larger games like Team Fortress 2 where you have a lot of server options, but it can be a huge problem in lesser populated games or within certain groups. The feeling of being unwanted really hurts and there is nothing the victim can do because of the red tape.

There you have it: Reasons why Steam should and should not adopt a system like Microsoft's Reputation system. How do you feel about this? Discuss it here in a civil manner, please.

[Gwarsbane]

All that time typing that up and you could have found the answer with a quick search... the answer is no, why it will be abused. Why do we know this? Because there was one on the old forums and yup you guessed it, it was abused. This is why they have already said it will not be returning.

[Mathew Mii]

Gwarsbane eredeti hozzászólása:

All that time typing that up and you could have found the answer with a quick search... the answer is no, why it will be abused. Why do we know this? Because there was one on the old forums and yup you guessed it, it was abused. This is why they have already said it will not be returning.

I was unaware of that. Thank you for filling me in on it.

[Frost]

While I understand the fact that the system was abused, I still think that with moderation (And yes, I understand that Steam doesn't have all the resources to watch something such as this) it'd be a good idea. That's my opinion though.

[No one special '77]

Yeah, sadly enough, it would be abused. In theory you could be behaving yourself online & playing a multiplayer game - let's say, for the sake of the convo, you're playing Rocket League or CS:GO - & you kicked some serious butt during the game. Now, a sore loser on the other team can easily be an a-hole by giving negative feedback/rep because you beat him/

[Yuuta]

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

I still think that with moderation it'd be a good idea.

Let's forget about the fact that Valve probably won't spend money on adding moderators for such system and pretend they did hire the moderators. How would they moderate it? An example, I played a game. I am a newbie and I suck at it (just bought the game a minute ago). So my team rates me down (because no one likes noobs) and moreover, enemy team rates the whole my team down for "lulz". So here's me, with a negative rating, done nothing wrong but played with a buch of [bad people]. How moderator is going to check if my rating is right or wrong?

[cinedine]

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

While I understand the fact that the system was abused, I still think that with moderation (And yes, I understand that Steam doesn't have all the resources to watch something such as this) it'd be a good idea. That's my opinion though.

How can you moderate something which is entirely subjective?
If I rate you 0/5 stars after a game because you took my favourite class, who and how should anyone determine that it was injustified?

[Unexpected]

Gwarsbane eredeti hozzászólása:

All that time typing that up and you could have found the answer with a quick search... the answer is no, why it will be abused. Why do we know this? Because there was one on the old forums and yup you guessed it, it was abused. This is why they have already said it will not be returning.

the reputation system on xbox live is also abused

[Yuuta]

Unexpected Jihad eredeti hozzászólása:

the reputation system on xbox live is also abused

You just turned the OP post against the OP's suggestion.

[Aahzmandias]

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

While I understand the fact that the system was abused, I still think that with moderation ......

ROFL..

Stopped reading after this. Valve isn't even able to moderate "Early fraudcess" or "green shovellight", and they aren't even able to handle 0.06 % of the user bases support tickets.

And you expect them to moderate this. Very funny.

They. don't. like. spending. money. on. service.

[Frost]

mkess eredeti hozzászólása:

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

While I understand the fact that the system was abused, I still think that with moderation ......

ROFL..

Stopped reading after this. Valve isn't even able to moderate "Early fraudcess" or "green shovellight", and they aren't even able to handle 0.06 % of the user bases support tickets.

And you expect them to moderate this. Very funny.

They. don't. like. spending. money. on. service.

Yeah. I could tell you stopped reading. I stated I understand that steam doesn't have the resources to moderate something like this.

[Frost]

Yuuta eredeti hozzászólása:

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

I still think that with moderation it'd be a good idea.

Let's forget about the fact that Valve probably won't spend money on adding moderators for such system and pretend they did hire the moderators. How would they moderate it? An example, I played a game. I am a newbie and I suck at it (just bought the game a minute ago). So my team rates me down (because no one likes noobs) and moreover, enemy team rates the whole my team down for "lulz". So here's me, with a negative rating, done nothing wrong but played with a buch of [bad people]. How moderator is going to check if my rating is right or wrong?

Then again as a counter argument, do people not abuse the report system?

Side note: People spam -rep in profile's comments for "hacking on tf2" when really you're just good at the game

[Gwarsbane]

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

Then again as a counter argument, do people not abuse the report system?

Side note: People spam -rep in profile's comments for "hacking on tf2" when really you're just good at the game

The report system is needed, but its not something thats instant like a rep system. Its not seen by the public and not seen by support till it hits a certain threshold and then a Steam admin looks at it.

-rep on someones profile can be easily controlled by the person who owns the profile. They can easily remove it. They can also only make it so that friends can comment on it. Also if someone is spamming their profile, they can report them.

So the report system and being able to put something on someones profile are vastly different then a rep system that was heavily abused already and removed already. And as Steam mods have said Valve employees have told them it will not be returning.

[Yuuta]

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

Then again as a counter argument, do people not abuse the report system?

Side note: People spam -rep in profile's comments for "hacking on tf2" when really you're just good at the game

Report system does nothing really, except you get a big amount of reports (I guess) in a short period of time. I doubt you can get banned for false reports.
-reps and any other comments do nothing either and can be easily deleted. I would not take serious any comments, negative or positive, since many people use it either for memes and lulz or for raging on someone who plays better than them. Rating, on the othert hand, cannot (or should not) be deleted, otherwise it's useless.

[Frost]

Yuuta eredeti hozzászólása:

{IFGE} Frost eredeti hozzászólása:

Then again as a counter argument, do people not abuse the report system?

Side note: People spam -rep in profile's comments for "hacking on tf2" when really you're just good at the game

Report system does nothing really, except you get a big amount of reports (I guess) in a short period of time. I doubt you can get banned for false reports.
-reps and any other comments do nothing either and can be easily deleted. I would not take serious any comments, negative or positive, since many people use it either for memes and lulz or for raging on someone who plays better than them. Rating, on the othert hand, cannot (or should not) be deleted, otherwise it's useless.

True on the report system, but (I'm not saying this should be removed) if you have a -rep on your profile for a legit reason, you should keep it instead of remove it. That's for another thread though.

[Holyshit]

Basically its a great idea but people will use this to hurt other people and try to set them up