Steam should label games that use Denuvo!

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

I made a Reddit post and decided to make a duplicate post here since it would have a high chance to accomplish anything but here is a link to the Reddit one https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/50ogw2/steam_should_label_games_that_use_denuvo/

I feel that it is DRM though that is a different discussion all together. The thing I made this post to say is that I feel that if a program uses Denuvo that there should be a label stating such; a game could just have "Incorporates Anti Tamper software: Denuvo". I just want something so we know if a game has it without having to look it up ourselves before we buy the game.

Edit:
Thanks goes to V-01 for the new info, I have found that it seems to be the publishers choice if they they display the fact it runs Denuvo.

Follow the link to find a list of games that has Denuvo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

http://store.steampowered.com/app/493340/?snr=1_7_15__13
The game Planet Coaster has under the steam tags "Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Antitamper".

http://store.steampowered.com/app/391220/
The game Rise of the Tomb Raider™ doesn't have anything about Denuvo under the steam tags while it is on the list of games that uses Denuvo.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/225540/?snr=1_7_15__13
The game Just Cause™ 3 doesn't have anything about Denuvo under the steam tags while it is on the list of games that uses Denuvo.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/371660/
The game Far Cry® Primal doesn't have anything about Denuvo under the steam tags while it is on the list of games that uses Denuvo.

So I want Steam to make all games that include Denuvo state something about it just like Planet Coaster does.

[cinedine]

It's like, hwy do we even have a search function on here?

[Start_Running]

That's for the publishers to disclose.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

cinedine님이 먼저 게시:

It's like, hwy do we even have a search function on here?

No topics with Denuvo as the title came up under Suggestions/Ideas when I searched.

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

That's for the publishers to disclose.

I want it so if they do use Denuvo that they have to disclose it on the store page. Denuvo is pretty much DRM but because they say it's not it gets treated differently than all the other DRM which is BS.

[Start_Running]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

That's for the publishers to disclose.

I want it so if they do use Denuvo that they have to disclose it on the store page. Denuvo is pretty much DRM but because they say it's not it gets treated differently than all the other DRM which is BS.

We don't always get what we want. Denovo is neither described or marketed as a DRM platform as far as I know so well , they don't really have to list on the Store page. That it can be used in a way that behaves like DRM is another matter entirely. I can use a knife as a screwdriver but that doesn't meat it has to be disclosed whether it fits thompsons or philips screw heads.

Or to put it this way. Online multiplayer and mandatory cloud saves can function as DRM. But they technically aren't. Otherwis, every online mmultiplayer game would have to say it uses an additional drm.

What's the beef against Denuvo anyway. You a salty pirate or something?

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

I want it so if they do use Denuvo that they have to disclose it on the store page. Denuvo is pretty much DRM but because they say it's not it gets treated differently than all the other DRM which is BS.

We don't always get what we want. Denovo is neither described or marketed as a DRM platform as far as I know so well , they don't really have to list on the Store page. That it can be used in a way that behaves like DRM is another matter entirely. I can use a knife as a screwdriver but that doesn't meat it has to be disclosed whether it fits thompsons or philips screw heads.

Or to put it this way. Online multiplayer and mandatory cloud saves can function as DRM. But they technically aren't. Otherwis, every online mmultiplayer game would have to say it uses an additional drm.

What's the beef against Denuvo anyway. You a salty pirate or something?

Denuvo is DRM no matter how much they try to deny it but it's treated differently than other DRM that is my main "beef against Denuvo". One reason I started this is because I hate dual DRM; anything that is sold on Steam that has another form of DRM I steer clear of, and I shouldn't have to actually research the game to make sure that it only has one layer of DRM.

[Start_Running]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

We don't always get what we want. Denovo is neither described or marketed as a DRM platform as far as I know so well , they don't really have to list on the Store page. That it can be used in a way that behaves like DRM is another matter entirely. I can use a knife as a screwdriver but that doesn't meat it has to be disclosed whether it fits thompsons or philips screw heads.

Or to put it this way. Online multiplayer and mandatory cloud saves can function as DRM. But they technically aren't. Otherwis, every online mmultiplayer game would have to say it uses an additional drm.

What's the beef against Denuvo anyway. You a salty pirate or something?

Denuvo is DRM no matter how much they try to deny it but it's treated differently than other DRM that is my "beef against Denuvo".

Personal inability to expand ones subset of definitions is not the problem of Valve , Developers or anyone but yourself.

The main reason I started this is because I hate dual DRM, anything that is sold on Steam that has another form of DRM I steer clear of and I shouldn't have to actually research up the game to make sure that it only has one layer of DRM.

In otherwords. You hate the fact that Denuvo prevents you from copying and distributing games as you like..

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Your either a Troll or a Idiot either way I'm done replying to you.

[Start_Running]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

Your either a Troll or a Idiot either way I'm done replying to you.

Says the one comoplaining about something that no one but a pirate or pirate wanna be would complain about. From what i'm ready the Denuvo thing works rather transparently and given the success rate.. it is likely to become a given for newer AAA game releases.

[Lily]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

What's the beef against Denuvo anyway. You a salty pirate or something?

Pirates are pretty much the last people I'd expect to see complaining about DRM not being listed on a game's Steam store page. That'd be like a shoplifter complaining about the price of the items he just stole. In the store he stole them from.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Gustave5436님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

What's the beef against Denuvo anyway. You a salty pirate or something?

Pirates are pretty much the last people I'd expect to see complaining about DRM not being listed on a game's Steam store page. That'd be like a shoplifter complaining about the price of the items he just stole. In the store he stole them from.

I'm not even complaining about the DRM. I'm just complaining about them not telling you when a game has it.

[Start_Running]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

Gustave5436님이 먼저 게시:

Pirates are pretty much the last people I'd expect to see complaining about DRM not being listed on a game's Steam store page. That'd be like a shoplifter complaining about the price of the items he just stole. In the store he stole them from.

I'm not even complaining about the DRM. I'm just complaining about them not telling you when a game has it.

Considering how denuvo works. and that you actually have to look up games to findout which one has it. I;d say it means uit operates so transparently as to be invisible to the user during playtime and ios not something that would actually restrict a user much either , under normal use conditions. I mean in bygone days companies never disclosed what brand of copy protection was on their discs. It is not something they are required to divulge and not something they are typically advised to divulge.

It doesn't affect your ability to play, doesn't affect the quality to play, so f'getaboutit. But I suoppose it's safe to assume that any game that sees a release on origin from a mid to large studio is gonna have Denuvo

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

឴님이 먼저 게시:

I ageee. Valve / Steam should "ask" developers to disclose Denuvo products.
Does not mean they have to.

Store Page
Just Cause 3

Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
Just Cause 3 EULA

http://store.steampowered.com/eula/225540_eula_0
Read it? Ctrl + F = Type "Denuvo" = Discloses Denuvo

Store Page
Rise of the Tomb Raider™

Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
Rise of the Tomb Raider EULA

http://store.steampowered.com/eula/391220_eula_0
Read it? Ctrl + F = Type "Denuvo" = Discloses Denuvo

Store Page
Far Cry Prima

Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
Far Cry Primal EULA

http://store.steampowered.com/eula/371660_eula_1
Read it? Ctrl + F = Type "Denuvo" = Discloses Denuvo

It' not really hidden from anyone, just not in plain view, its in something you should probably read anyway before purchase, its why its shown there.

edit: I was thinking about some of the web browser addons that show UBISOFT DRM Enhanced Steam and SuperSteam.Thought about asking jshackles to add Denuvo to ES, but seen hes says this.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/enhancedsteam/discussions/0/558754259873297251/#c558754259901723484

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208650/
Does not say in the EULA that is has Denuvo

http://store.steampowered.com/app/265300/?snr=1_7_15__13
Does not have a EULA or list Denuvo

http://store.steampowered.com/app/391040/?snr=1_7_15__13
Does not have a EULA or list Denuvo

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

឴님이 먼저 게시:

Yea, I figured there might be some out there that did not say in the EULA.
Please see the thread added the bottom of my last post #12.
Better off contacting each publisher and developer, Valves not likely to care.

Getting Valve to change is the goal to aim for to make it better since most of the publishers wouldn't want to put something that may decrease their sales any unless they have to.

[Start_Running]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

឴님이 먼저 게시:

Yea, I figured there might be some out there that did not say in the EULA.
Please see the thread added the bottom of my last post #12.
Better off contacting each publisher and developer, Valves not likely to care.

Getting Valve to change is the goal to aim for to make it better since most of the publishers wouldn't want to put something that may decrease their sales any unless they have to.

You do realize Valve isn;'t the opnly game in town right and since it's basically the major 3A games with this. this companies, especially EA, have no problem making it exclusive to their site.

Valve simply is not going to do anything to make pirate's lives any easier.

[Zeriel00]

A agree with OP I have a right to know when a piece of software in my computer is phoning home for WHATEVER reason. You would have to be pretty stupid for fight for the corporations right to invade your space rather than your own rights. I see no reason why Steam shouldn't label games that use Denuvo I have a disagree with this treating their legitimate costumers as pirates and keeping a leach on the products I buy. What is preventing them from pulling the switch one day and not letting your game run? I will boycott this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRM in my games and refuse to buy them and I would like to KNOW what I'm actually buying.