Add an upvote system exclusively for threads on the on the Suggestions / Ideas board.

[FOXDUDE69]

I'd like to see an upvote system for threads in this board and the option to sort the board by most upvoted. Also think that once upvotes go above a certain threshold, those heavily upvoted threads should gain lock immunity and moderators should simply ban the people attempting to derail and cause discord without locking heavily upvoted threads.

Edit: Forgot Steam already has Steam Awards so Valve could simply grant lock immunity to heavily awarded threads. This would make the system extremely hard to abuse by the bad actors that frequent these boards. And also, there should be a way to sort the Suggestions / Ideas board by "Most Awarded".

[Thermal Lance]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

FYI so everyone has context, this all stems from the OP's thread where they spent 20+ pages attacking people who didn't agree with them. They didn't even make it past the first page of the thread before they started insulting people and never stopped. So the OP wants to try to make his threads moderator proof with a system he can easily abuse so that he can flaunt the rules since he has no respect for moderators. I mean feel free to look at his profile where he flat out blames them for everything

foxdude の投稿を引用：

:poor: Steaming Pile of... Banned multiple times from the Steam Hub by incompetent moderators.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3421063428083568624/

You can see for yourself why its non productive, a small sample of why dev's looked at the thread and found very little constructive discussion going on.....

Foxdude69 の投稿を引用：

Pure unsupported nonsense.

Foxdude69 の投稿を引用：

Utterly irrelevant statement.

Arock!!! の投稿を引用：

When it comes to these guys, and others like them, i often wonder if there is something much deeper going on, something more psychological.

Foxdude69 の投稿を引用：

You are entitled to believe that.

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Steam uses an oversimplified rating system because Steam users have simple minds. Valve knows this, they know their public very well.

No amount of upvotes or rewards should enable a thread where the posters are making non stop attacks against other users from being immune to moderation.

Good to see I’m not alone seeing that issue.

[Brian9824]

Thermal Lance の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

FYI so everyone has context, this all stems from the OP's thread where they spent 20+ pages attacking people who didn't agree with them. They didn't even make it past the first page of the thread before they started insulting people and never stopped. So the OP wants to try to make his threads moderator proof with a system he can easily abuse so that he can flaunt the rules since he has no respect for moderators. I mean feel free to look at his profile where he flat out blames them for everything




https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3421063428083568624/

You can see for yourself why its non productive, a small sample of why dev's looked at the thread and found very little constructive discussion going on.....







No amount of upvotes or rewards should enable a thread where the posters are making non stop attacks against other users from being immune to moderation.

Good to see I’m not alone seeing that issue.

Yep, sadly i've disagreed with moderators and some of their decisions, and many times support has agreed with me and reversed it. I've always respected their decisions and never once tried to claim I should be above their moderation nor blamed them for getting carried away and breaking a rule.

[Supafly]

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

I actually linked to the entire thread so people can see for themselves. Can't help but notice you editing my quote to remove that......

You know very well nobody passing by is gonna dig through a 500+ post thread to find the relevant posts.

Since you'd be one to look for a simple Ctrl+F and typing you name would highlight every post and allow people to jump thought it. If I actually cared I'd jump to the last page and work backwards. As I don't, I'm just unsubbing. though I'd point that out first though........

[FOXDUDE69]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

I mean I quoted the attacks

None of my quotes were attacks, they were my opinion on the "arguments" being presented.
Not very different than when that former volunteer mod refers to users as "naive" for holding opinion X. My way of responding to those "arguments" was actually far more polite than his, since I addressed the argument, instead of commenting negatively on the user.

Of course, had you link said arguments, anyone would have been able to see exactly the kind of nonsense I was referring to, but you expect people to go dig through a 500+ thread to find that context. Failing to link the arguments, the bare minimum you could do was write down the post numbers, which you also didn't bother with, because making it as hard as you can for readers to find the relevant context benefits your disingenuous post.

All tactics I've seen before by those who have been aptly named the "bad actors".

[Brian9824]

Supafly の投稿を引用：

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

You know very well nobody passing by is gonna dig through a 500+ post thread to find the relevant posts.

Since you'd be one to look for a simple Ctrl+F and typing you name would highlight every post and allow people to jump thought it. If I actually cared I'd jump to the last page and work backwards. As I don't, I'm just unsubbing. though I'd point that out first though........

There is also a search that works within the thread so anyone can easily see it. Hence why its funny that the defense to the attacks is that well other people were breaking the rules in their opinion so they also broke them...

Sadly people keep ignoring that 99.6% (now) of threads aren't locked, so clearly there isn't a locking issue. It just seems that way to some people because they don't follow the rules and instead of adjusting their behavior blame the moderators and ironically enough literally ask steam for a way to break the rules without punishment.

[FOXDUDE69]

Supafly の投稿を引用：

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

You know very well nobody passing by is gonna dig through a 500+ post thread to find the relevant posts.

Since you'd be one to look for a simple Ctrl+F and typing you name would highlight every post and allow people to jump thought it. If I actually cared I'd jump to the last page and work backwards. As I don't, I'm just unsubbing. though I'd point that out first though........

Still a hell of a lot more inconvenient and time consuming than just having the posts properly linked, relevant context quoted, or at the very least, a post number to use as quick reference.

No passer by will bother checking this. Which is the indented effect.

[Mad Scientist]

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

Do you know how democracy, in principle, works? It's very much the same principle. The people get's to vote on the ideas they find value in.

This isn't a democracy and people liking something again, does not equate to something of value. Look at the entirety of the internet, do you really think people voting on something equates to something being good?

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

All tactics I've seen before by those who have been aptly named the "bad actors".

Yet in the thread you've been demonstrating that they aren't the bad actors here, nor are others the issue.


Let's use an example of popularity vs quality:

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

Also think that once upvotes go above a certain threshold, those heavily upvoted threads should gain lock immunity

User "Bob" makes thread "Rename Steam to 'Steamy McSteam' "
Result: Highly upvoted for the meme / "for the lols"
Not quality.

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

moderators should simply ban the people attempting to derail and cause discord without locking heavily upvoted threads.

Already (still) happens for people causing issues, especially repeated offenders. If they have to re-visit a thread more than once or especially numerous times, it can be locked, which we've seen some people intentionally attempt in other threads, but it isn't those you have disagreements with.
Still not quality, as heavily upvotes =/= quality as demonstrated above.

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

already has Steam Awards so Valve could simply grant lock immunity to heavily awarded threads.

Popularity and Quality are not the same, which is why "upvotes" or awards will be meaningless to determine a threads suggestion being quality. No thread is going to have lock immunity from consequences of behavior.

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

This would make the system extremely hard to abuse by the bad actors that frequent these boards.

It would have no benefit to anyone except actual demonstrated bad actors with the moderation history to go with it, though it would still rely on a deep pocket of points if such was ever considered, which it's safe to logically say (including from a business perspective) it wont be considered.

FOXDUDE69 の投稿を引用：

And also, there should be a way to sort the Suggestions / Ideas board by "Most Awarded".

That turns it into a zero-quality popularity contest, rather than sort by new as the default which is the default of how forums function. That only increases the likely hood of people banding together in attempt to keep something to the front page when unpopular or dying off the pages by artificially boosting it. You can already find a thread by your own history.

I see the intent of trying to remain on the front page by having people friends with each other bumping dead, unpopular-as-an-idea threads as if employees will believe something is wanted, though those of us that have had internal experiences know front page and post count does not equate to quality (off topic is a great example, along with other categories). which is why sort by awards is just another attempt to keep something up, as most threads don't receive awards unless groups of friends award each other, which seems to be happening recently. So it's safe to question good intentions vs artificial manipulation attempts.

Hint: They usually go by the initial post, and those that have ever been mods, admins or employees already tend to know the intent and history just by reading the OP. From there, employees do tend to ignore things from questionable sources.


That goes back to an OP either has something valuable to them, or they do not. Anything after can simply be character context for them.

[Tito Shivan]

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Yeah, closing this board and turning it into something like this would be best at that point, IMO.
You can gauge interest more reliably and it cuts down on the toxicity a lot.

Wonder how people would manage not getting any feedback at all from their suggestions though.

It'd feel (even more) like talking to a wall.

Make suggestion, receive radio silence, get no information if you've made a popular or frrequent suggestion or not... Then wait for an undeterminate ammount of time to see if yor suggestion ever comes into fruition.

I don't realistically see people just sending their suggestion and not wanting to talk with others about the suggestions they made. Like 'Suggestions discussions' forum.

[Brian9824]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Yeah, closing this board and turning it into something like this would be best at that point, IMO.
You can gauge interest more reliably and it cuts down on the toxicity a lot.

Wonder how people would manage not getting any feedback at all from their suggestions though.

It'd feel (even more) like talking to a wall.

Make suggestion, receive radio silence, get no information if you've made a popular or frrequent suggestion or not... Then wait for an undeterminate ammount of time to see if yor suggestion ever comes into fruition.

I don't realistically see people just sending their suggestion and not wanting to talk with others about the suggestions they made. Like 'Suggestions discussions' forum.

Not to mention suggestions are made better by discussing them. Rational people discuss the flaws people point out and make adjustments. They don't shut down and attack everyone who points out a flaw.

I'd rather see one person post a flaw for a suggestion I make, then 100 people tell me how good it is...

[Reggaejunkiedrew]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

It's not even rthe guidelines that need to change. INstances of thread locking are exceedingly rare. Cases of outright thread deletion by mods are even rarer still.

But some people tend to create threads then break the rules in those threads and wind up getting said threads locked, and/or getting themselves banned. Now when this sort of thing happens repeatedly to the same person...you gotta ask yourself. Is it the moderation, or is it the person?

It can be both, again though it also just comes down to people having different ideals about what they think should or shouldn't be allowed.

I'm usually always in favour of more relaxed moderation on the whole, and just permabanning the people who are actually causing the problems. Offtopic in particular I wish was a little more lax about some stuff, though it really is not that bad at all compared how insane the moderators on most subreddits are.

[cinedine]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Yeah, closing this board and turning it into something like this would be best at that point, IMO.
You can gauge interest more reliably and it cuts down on the toxicity a lot.

Wonder how people would manage not getting any feedback at all from their suggestions though.

It'd feel (even more) like talking to a wall.

Make suggestion, receive radio silence, get no information if you've made a popular or frrequent suggestion or not... Then wait for an undeterminate ammount of time to see if yor suggestion ever comes into fruition.

I don't realistically see people just sending their suggestion and not wanting to talk with others about the suggestions they made. Like 'Suggestions discussions' forum.

Probably better than being drawn into pointless arguments that will keep them from caring anyway.
I'd even say having to dicuss your brainfart or well-thought-out improvement might even be a barrier for some.

[Tito Shivan]

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Probably better than being drawn into pointless arguments that will keep them from caring anyway.

I'm not that confident that people would accept total silence and no feedback at all after making a suggestion.

I'm quite sure that even with a 'Suggestions Inbox' we'd still have threads from people posting about the suggestions they sent.

[fluxtorrent]

Psymon² の投稿を引用：

Quint the Alligator Snapper の投稿を引用：

gotta wonder, if they are so certain the idea is bad and Valve won't implement it, why do they bother "fighting" it? Entirely ego? Why do they even care if other people like the idea if it doesn't actually cause it to be implemented in the first place?

maddening isn't it?
complete apathy to the source of the problem, and hostility to anyone trying to do anything about it.
and that mentality is from an ex volunteer moderator too??

Who is an exvolunteer moderator? Or are you implying I was? Or just making things up again?

I was NEVER one of Valve's volunteers

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

fluxtorrent の投稿を引用：

Psymon² の投稿を引用：

maddening isn't it?
complete apathy to the source of the problem, and hostility to anyone trying to do anything about it.
and that mentality is from an ex volunteer moderator too??

Who is an exvolunteer moderator? Or are you implying I was? Or just making things up again?

I was NEVER one of Valve's volunteers

Oh they just mean Tito, a former moderator who I would associate with users who caused this sub-forum’s social state of affairs a few months back.

Tito would naturally want a downvote button, and probably would love only a downvote button being implemented if it were.

Edit: Apparently they meant you after all, their mistake.

[fluxtorrent]

𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪 の投稿を引用：

fluxtorrent の投稿を引用：

Who is an exvolunteer moderator? Or are you implying I was? Or just making things up again?

I was NEVER one of Valve's volunteers

Oh they just mean Tito, a former moderator who I would associate with users who caused this sub-forum’s social state of affairs a few months back.

Tito would naturally want a downvote button, and probably would love only a downvote button being implemented if it were.

A few months back the paid moderators were already in charge, they have been for 2 years. The VOLUNTEER moderators stepped back long before they were retired.