notification when post deleted

[Psymon²]

getting a ban has a notification
getting a warning has a notification

when a post is only deleted, that doesn't have a notification
it should do, and should include an explanation for its deletion

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Psymon²:

getting a ban has a notification
getting a warning has a notification

when a post is only deleted, that doesn't have a notification
it should do, and should include an explanation for its deletion

I mean the first two are account specific notification. In that those only appear when you do something in a forum and action is taking on your account. And so really have no bearing on your suggestion as they are entirely different notification mechanisms.

I'm going to assume by 'post' you mean individual posts, within a thread.

Notification when a post is deleted seems odd. Even discounting the whole "steam's b-tree forum structure makes notifications of moved threads annoying" what would this notification tell you. The post no longer exists so your notification is functionally like the existing 'this thread was moved or deleted' notification, which is sorta bad already.

Threads can't be deleted by the OP after a certain point so notifications for that again seems odd given its basically just whatever a moderator did.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Originally posted by Satoru:

what would this notification tell you.

The name of the thread would be nice.

[RiO]

Heavily in favor of this.

Posts being deleted not resulting in a notification also means there is no form of appeal possible; unless you submit a free-form request to Steam Support and have them dig into the thread and its moderation history.
And really: that's just a pain for all parties involved.

Actually; from a legal point of view, Valve will have to kit something into Steam to support this on the mid term anyway. When the EU's Digital Services Act starts being enforced in 2024 - or possibly sooner: that depends on if Steam will be classified as a 'very large' online platform who get special treatment - there'll be a legal requirement for all forms of moderation to send notice to the consumers whose content was moderated as well as a legal requirement for all moderation notices to be accompanied by a clear and comprehensible explanation of why the content was moderated.

And sure; they could do that only for content placed by EU citizens. But that would only complicate things compared to just doing it for everyone.

Originally posted by Satoru:

Notification when a post is deleted seems odd. Even discounting the whole "steam's b-tree forum structure makes notifications of moved threads annoying" what would this notification tell you.

The exact same thing a moderation warning or ban notification would:
quote the original post for context; make reference to the thread from which it was removed; and state the reason the post was deleted.

Seems applicable in general, no?

[Fishie]

Originally posted by RiO:

Heavily in favor of this.

Posts being deleted not resulting in a notification also means there is no form of appeal possible; unless you submit a free-form request to Steam Support and have them dig into the thread and its moderation history.
And really: that's just a pain for all parties involved.

Actually; from a legal point of view, Valve will have to kit something into Steam to support this on the mid term anyway. When the EU's Digital Services Act starts being enforced in 2024 - or possibly sooner: that depends on if Steam will be classified as a 'very large' online platform who get special treatment - there'll be a legal requirement for all forms of moderation to send notice to the consumers whose content was moderated as well as a legal requirement for all moderation notices to be accompanied by a clear and comprehensible explanation of why the content was moderated.

And sure; they could do that only for content placed by EU citizens. But that would only complicate things compared to just doing it for everyone.

Originally posted by Satoru:

Notification when a post is deleted seems odd. Even discounting the whole "steam's b-tree forum structure makes notifications of moved threads annoying" what would this notification tell you.

The exact same thing a moderation warning or ban notification would:
quote the original post for context; make reference to the thread from which it was removed; and state the reason the post was deleted.

Seems applicable in general, no?

That would violate users right to privacy. As we can delete a thread for whatever reason we want and no one should be able to pull that thread back up. And if a moderator deletes the thread, it should stay deleted as it violated the rules or offended the other party or the owner of the thread feels harm because of the replies. if a company wants to be sued for violating users privacy and for offending the other party who reported it to be deleted as then they would be causing harm to the other party more than once as they would report it and the cycle will repeat or it will be there and it will be offending them because it still there for them to see.
So unless a company wants to be sued countless times for harming a user and violating right to privacy they shouldn't do that.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by Wolf:

That would violate users right to privacy. As we can delete a thread for whatever reason we want and no one should be able to pull that thread back up. And if a moderator deletes the thread, it should stay deleted as it violated the rules or offended the other party or the owner of the thread feels hurt because of the replies. if valve wants to be sued for violating users privacy and for offending the other party who reported it to be deleted as then they would be causing harm to the other party more than once as they would report it and the cycle will repeat or it will be there and it will be offending them because it still there for them to see. So defeinlly no unless valve wants to be sued countless times for causing harm and violating right to privacy. Especially harm to the thread creator which is why some people change their thread to delete because they don't want to see the toxic replies as those posts will cause harm to the user. So unless Valve wants to be sued countless times for harming a user and violating right to privacy they shouldn't do that.

Your posting on a public forum, your post posted on a public forum does not go under your privacy, you posted it on the public so its the public domain, not your own privacy matter any more

[Psymon²]

few clarifications to make based on the replies so far.

i do mean posts, not threads.
it's possible for me to find that a post of mine was deleted, while the thread it was within has not been deleted, from the "comment history" page, linked to from the activity page.

i've raised support tickets before to enquire why; bit awkward to link them to a deleted post but found a way none the less...

it feels a strange form of moderation, not notifying users why their post was removed.
of course, these forums are woefully outdated and lacking in moderation tools, that's a larger debate not for this thread/suggestion/idea.

this is also separate from the notifications of "thread was moved/deleted" which is another annoyance but for another thread to discuss/rant about.

[eram]

Originally posted by Wolf:

That would violate users right to privacy. As we can delete a thread for whatever reason we want and no one should be able to pull that thread back up. And if a moderator deletes the thread, it should stay deleted as it violated the rules or offended the other party or the owner of the thread feels harm because of the replies. if a company wants to be sued for violating users privacy and for offending the other party who reported it to be deleted as then they would be causing harm to the other party more than once as they would report it and the cycle will repeat or it will be there and it will be offending them because it still there for them to see.
So unless a company wants to be sued countless times for harming a user and violating right to privacy they shouldn't do that.

everything about this post is wrong. your facts are wrong on all counts.unless it changed you cant even delete your own thread once it has 8 or so posts, you also cant delete a locked thread.

[Lar Dass]

if you check your steam comments you can see the deleted threads and what you posted, but not the name of the thread, this should help you see what was deleted

[Psymon²]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

if you check your steam comments you can see the deleted threads and what you posted, but not the name of the thread, this should help you see what was deleted

i appreciate your attempt to assist but it does not properly address my suggestion/idea, and my other post in this thread shows I'm already aware of the information you're sharing.

[Psymon²]

bringing this back because it's getting stupid.

recently had 4 of posts silently deleted, and on asking support why they said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and undeleted them.

i shouldn't have to regularly check my own post history on the chance one of them was removed without notification.

[Psymon²]

still need this.

my posts that call out the trolls get acted on quicker than stuff like clear racism.

and no ban, no warning, just a silent deletion...

further proving my point that moderation is under control of report abuse

[Shrike]

The stealth deleting of posts without record or justification can be easily construed as an abuse of moderation powers. It seems like you're not notified because they'd sooner you just not notice.

[[?]legit]

Happened to me as well a few times. Such a feature is needed, I agree.

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Psymon²:

still need this.

my posts that call out the trolls get acted on quicker than stuff like clear racism.

and no ban, no warning, just a silent deletion...

further proving my point that moderation is under control of report abuse

There was no post you made that 'called out trolls'.

You refused to clarify or even acknowledge when someone you don't like got close to what you were suggesting.

Half of the posts were trying to get you to clarify with the other half being your refusal to do so.

PLease keep the personal drama out of here. Feel free to add him or enable your profile comments, but I don't think someone's suggestion is the proper place to carry out personal matters. Y'know, this is a rather straight forward suggestion. I'll only reply to you here once, and already feel bad doing so (I'm sorry OP). But what you write has n o t h i n g to do with the topic at all.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Dani:

The stealth deleting of posts without record or justification can be easily construed as an abuse of moderation powers. It seems like you're not notified because they'd sooner you just not notice.

It isn't.

Please note that Administrators/Moderators reserve the right to change/edit/delete/move/merge any content at any time if they feel it is inappropriate, abusive, or incorrectly categorized.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Dani:

The stealth deleting of posts without record or justification can be easily construed as an abuse of moderation powers. It seems like you're not notified because they'd sooner you just not notice.

It isn't.

Please note that Administrators/Moderators reserve the right to change/edit/delete/move/merge any content at any time if they feel it is inappropriate, abusive, or incorrectly categorized.

Are you playing the role of self-designated yes man in this thread?