Reporting players and attaching files as evidence

[Cargolon(Gone for a while)]

When you go to report someone on steam via their profile, it does not give you the option to attach files or link sources that could give steam valuable evidence to prove whether or not someone is cheating, or being abusive to others in game. It would be nice to attach a video to a report of someone cheating in game to show that they are indeed cheating in said game.

[Start_Running]

Steam/VValve does not need your clearly doctored screenshots as evidence. They have a record of everything done on their platform or through it.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Mainly because reporting them that was for something that happened in game is basically for statistical purposes only.

[Black Blade]

If its not a Valve game you are not likely to get much from it, and in that case you better reporting to who ever owns the game
If it is a Valve game, don't they have a report built into the game in most cases?

So or so you can upload it some where and add the link inside the text report, if you want to be fancy upload to youtube and add that link and it likely show to them as a video like sharing stuff here

Like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Ducks on Fire]

If you want to report a cheater do it via the in-game report feature. There is no need to send any files.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Black Blade:

Like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

His Geico commercial is better.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

His Geico commercial is better.

When ever I want to just dump a video for an example a over done one is good for the matter over an ad for something
If going to do that, will just drop my old video

[[N]ebsun]

I though rickrolls were explicitly against the forum rules.. "(Post spam (i.e. +1, 10char, rickrolls) or Re-post Closed, Modified, Deleted Content)"

anyway - on topic

Originally posted by Cargolon:

it does not give you the option to attach files or link sources that could give steam valuable evidence to prove whether or not someone is cheating, or being abusive to others in game.

Such evidence is not useful - there would be too much for any human resources to go through it all and it is unreliable in the first place. Other than that, most servers are community run and have their own rules - Steam only enforces their rules on their platform and services, they don't have a say in how anyone else runs their own server even if it's a game developed by Valve.

For cheaters, we have VAC or other cheat detection software that can guarantee that a cheat was used without any human bias - ie. there is no doubt in the system, so cheaters can be permanently banned - as soon as you add human bias via submitted evidence, the cheaters will immediately gain a reason to dispute their ban.

For abuse, it's really up to whoever runs the server - if it's through a 3rd party (not Valve) then they will have to do something about it, not Valve.

[Cargolon(Gone for a while)]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Steam/VValve does not need your clearly doctored screenshots as evidence. They have a record of everything done on their platform or through it.

Plenty of people have Nvidia Shadowplay, they could use videos as evidence of cheating.

[Pscht]

Why though? Video only has one point of view. If you run the game replay you can look around anywhere you want.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Steam/VValve does not need your clearly doctored screenshots as evidence. They have a record of everything done on their platform or through it.

That's incorrect, as usual. First of all, VAC only detects known cheats in its database, therefore videos/screenshots might be helpful to demonstrate the use of unknown, new cheats and penalize their users accordingly, if cheating is blatant.

Also, it's more than obvious that Valve doesn't record all players pov to verify that on their own.

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Cargolon:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Steam/VValve does not need your clearly doctored screenshots as evidence. They have a record of everything done on their platform or through it.

Plenty of people have Nvidia Shadowplay, they could use videos as evidence of cheating.

No need. Very few games ban on video evidence from the complainants's user perspective in-game especially ones that have been submitted to the developer using capture software. Report any cheaters in-game is the most effective way and usually no additional evidence is required on the part of the victim.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by Cargolon:

Plenty of people have Nvidia Shadowplay, they could use videos as evidence of cheating.

If you only depend on video, someone can easily cheat that; make a fan-made server with someone's name changed, and make them do whatever you want (use noclip or what ever even not to use cheats) in a video Valve can't confirm all that much on what is going on
Using a reply, they can check more info and more stuff that makes sense to check, then a video will show you, except if its a video from the cheater himself
Video from client side may also have the issue of having some lag or something, so may think someone is cheating seeing beyond walls, when on reply of the server-side they may be able to see the user has actually seen him before or was in a location to do so

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

That's incorrect, as usual. First of all, VAC only detects known cheats in its database, therefore videos/screenshots might be helpful to demonstrate the use of unknown, new cheats and penalize their users accordingly, if cheating is blatant.

Also, it's more than obvious that Valve doesn't record all players pov to verify that on their own.

First not sure VAC works on specific cheats, its likely works more on something that detects changes or touches with the game in a way that seems sus, so it can also catch newer stuff, and the creator of the cheat has to work around and keep testing for mouths between cheats they use because VAC is not apply immediately but has a delay

Second of all, as much as I am aware, all CS:GO at the very least games do have a reply recording saved. You get a code you can use to share it with others (on Valve servers)
That recording is the info the server has and should be info that gives the image of what everyone saw (or at least should have seen), so if someone uses walls hacks or the like, you simply detect it by shots that make no sense, except if you know someone is behind the wall.

Even if they don't keep all of them, they most likely do keep what was reported in (even though I do belive any play gives a recording number in the end.. at least the last time I remember playing, if I am not confused but been a while)

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Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by twitch.tv/a_kotikov_a:

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Report it on Twitch.

:nkCool:

Do you think it's messed up that there's no one available to ban cheaters real time?

I mean, I get the limited resources of a company like Valve, but what would the harm be in at least taking care of low hanging fruit like this as a full time position?

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by redacted:

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Report it on Twitch.

:nkCool:

Do you think it's messed up that there's no one available to ban cheaters real time?

I mean, I get the limited resources of a company like Valve, but what would the harm be in at least taking care of low hanging fruit like this as a full time position?

"Limited resources" of Valve.

Bruh, Valve makes so much money they have more than enough resources to handle ALL the issues on Steam. They just don't know how to do that because it's too much work for them to figure out.

If Steam wasn't already a borderline monopoly with few viable competitors, then they'd find themselves suffering from a "service issue" pretty easily.

Steam's quality of service has nosedived over the last three years if we're being honest.