Quality of games on steam has fallen over time.

[Sakata]

So many low quality rip-offs and cash grabs in my queue nowadays shows me just how much absolute trash is out there. Games slapped together in flash and others that don't even try to mask the absolute low quality.

I'd suggest that Valve start to look into submissions and ensure they meet some measure of quality before being allowed on steam, or perhaps some means of player vetting that allows us to set thresholds for what games we see -- I'd personally not want to see 90% of the games that have been in my queue the past few years, and others have already expressed the low quality of these games with the horrid reviews and ratings, so I'd like a way to just have them not even reach my queue.

I'm sure others agree with the state of the games queues lately -- it's hard to find something to like when we're inundated with so much garbage.

[Washell]

Valve let games in that they had to kick off again. They denied games that, when they finally did make it to Steam, broke (indie) sales records. They've decided that they only want to be a minimum barrier between developers and the customer because their tastes clearly don't align with the customer base. So now, with Steam direct, barriers to entry are virtually non-existent.

That said, they envisage and work towards a future where curators, recommendations, tags, etc, and the algorithms using that data all come together to deliver each user a personalized, (near) perfect store, with all the (what said user considers) crap hidden from their view.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Washell：

Valve let games in that they had to kick off again. They denied games that, when they finally did make it to Steam, broke (indie) sales records. They've decided that they only want to be a minimum barrier between developers and the customer because their tastes clearly don't align with the customer base. So now, with Steam direct, barriers to entry are virtually non-existent.

That said, they envisage and work towards a future where curators, recommendations, tags, etc, and the algorithms using that data all come together to deliver each user a personalized, (near) perfect store, with all the (what said user considers) crap hidden from their view.

The problem with that however is the same reason people say curators aren't enough. They're afraid the curator will miss something. They're afraid the AI will miss osmething. Which is not unfounded. They can only predict based on past behaviour, and there's the other elephant in the room that for many people if you ask them what they want they'll say more of what they already have. Then they hear about something that scratche4s an itch they never knew they had. No one asked for Undertale of FNAF but be damned if those games didn't hit a lot of happy places. Not to mention Goat Simulator.

That's really how it is with entertainment. You can't predict what will hit people's happy places. WHat has always been a barrier is basically the cost of production. If the market was too small then the cost of producing boxed or even jewelcased copies and delivering them to various stores was something you weren't likely to recoup especially when you factor that an audience might be geographically dispersed. You may have only 20 people in one state that like it, and 200 in another, but then you find it's a big seller in in Chaad.

Digital removes that barrier so now you're finding more and more games aiming for small under-supplied niches. IT's becoming less about selling millions of copies and more about selling a thousand copies here and a thousand copies there.

[Crashed]

Here's a checklist:

1. Does the game violate any copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property laws?
   
2. Does the game fail to function on systems it is advertised to run on?
   
3. Is the game pornographic, hateful, or otherwise abusive?
   
4. Is there any malware or other code that harms systems in the game?

If the answer to all those questions is no, then what is the reasoning that the publisher should be banned?

[Vulnona]

I dont think so ;D

[Nobody]

I don't even look at the que anymore or check any of the new releases.
I come here looking for specific stuff

[Sakata]

One thing I'd like to see is a new option for games queue to limit results to ones above a certain rating threshold, and/or a number of reviews. So that we can say, set a threshold of "Must have 100 reviews" AND "Average Rating > X".

I woudn't want to see them remove potentially great games. Perhaps they could make the entry a bit more strenuous to cut off "Trash Farms" or "Let's blatantly clone game X, throw a few new assets at it and call it new". I lost count of crapware that appears to be slapped together in 15 minutes in some cheap platform and submitted.

[Crashed]

引用自 Sakata：

One thing I'd like to see is a new option for games queue to limit results to ones above a certain rating threshold, and/or a number of reviews. So that we can say, set a threshold of "Must have 100 reviews" AND "Average Rating > X".

I woudn't want to see them remove potentially great games. Perhaps they could make the entry a bit more strenuous to cut off "Trash Farms" or "Let's blatantly clone game X, throw a few new assets at it and call it new". I lost count of crapware that appears to be slapped together in 15 minutes in some cheap platform and submitted.

Such a feature would be too easy to abuse and would incentivize review bombers to destroy the reputation of a game to prevent it from selling.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Crashed：

Such a feature would be too easy to abuse and would incentivize review bombers to destroy the reputation of a game to prevent it from selling.

And the reverse as well. It would encourage developers to find ways to increase positive reviews so their games gets seen by more people.

[American Dove Mitten]

引用自 Sakata：

One thing I'd like to see is a new option for games queue to limit results to ones above a certain rating threshold, and/or a number of reviews. So that we can say, set a threshold of "Must have 100 reviews" AND "Average Rating > X".

I woudn't want to see them remove potentially great games. Perhaps they could make the entry a bit more strenuous to cut off "Trash Farms" or "Let's blatantly clone game X, throw a few new assets at it and call it new". I lost count of crapware that appears to be slapped together in 15 minutes in some cheap platform and submitted.

There are good indie games that don't even have 10 reviews. "ERSATZ" for example. Hell, Treasure Adventure World is one of the best games I played recently and it has 32 reviews.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Sorokonojka：

引用自 Sakata：

One thing I'd like to see is a new option for games queue to limit results to ones above a certain rating threshold, and/or a number of reviews. So that we can say, set a threshold of "Must have 100 reviews" AND "Average Rating > X".

I woudn't want to see them remove potentially great games. Perhaps they could make the entry a bit more strenuous to cut off "Trash Farms" or "Let's blatantly clone game X, throw a few new assets at it and call it new". I lost count of crapware that appears to be slapped together in 15 minutes in some cheap platform and submitted.

There are good indie games that don't even have 10 reviews. "ERSATZ" for example. Hell, Treasure Adventure World is one of the best games I played recently and it has 32 reviews.

And my wishlist grows by one. Thanks for bringing those games to my attention. Also you demonstrate how the system works. People talk about the good games they enjoy and if you will invariably find out about some great games you never heard of.


Good games, will eventually get to your eyes.

[dynastystar]

引用自 Gekkibi：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

If low quality, buggy, asset filled cheap ripoffs of existing games were cut out of Steam due to QA... We wouldn't have PUBG.

Implying that wouldn't be such a bad thing... :P

Jokes aside, removing spectacularly bad games wouldn't be such a bad thing. Of course, everyone has their own subjective standards, and what is a stinking pile of turd to us can be an engraved golden honeypot with diamond decorations to some.

However, some things can be objectively :poop:, and Valve has removed a few games in the past.

they've removed games because they violated Valve's ToS. Things like having stolen assets in their game and other Terms.

[Crashed]

引用自 dynastystar：

引用自 Gekkibi：

Implying that wouldn't be such a bad thing... :P

Jokes aside, removing spectacularly bad games wouldn't be such a bad thing. Of course, everyone has their own subjective standards, and what is a stinking pile of turd to us can be an engraved golden honeypot with diamond decorations to some.

However, some things can be objectively :poop:, and Valve has removed a few games in the past.

they've removed games because they violated Valve's ToS. Things like having stolen assets in their game and other Terms.

Generally, won't stolen assets not get a game removed unless the original owner files a complaint?

[American Dove Mitten]

引用自 Crashed：

Here's a checklist:

1. Does the game violate any copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property laws?
   
2. Does the game fail to function on systems it is advertised to run on?
   
3. Is the game pornographic, hateful, or otherwise abusive?
   
4. Is there any malware or other code that harms systems in the game?

If the answer to all those questions is no, then what is the reasoning that the publisher should be banned?

I would argue that Valve does not pay that much attention to those.

1) I am sure there are games like that, I own many games with questionable assets. As a player I don't really want to involve myself into any legal things so I don't. I doubt that Valve really checks that unless someone reports a game.

2) There are poorly coded games in Steam that can break OS. Making sure that games are stable is not something that Valve properly tests. And NO, it is not just my system that has problem with those games.

3) Technically speaking there are adult games on steam. Some "censored" games come with build in patches that you do not have to download or pay for. (they just tell you to change one line of code from NO to YES)

4) There are some games that use features that can be considered potentially dangerous. Some people call it "false positive" and then when I ask Symantec about the process the confirm that it has potentially dangerous features.

[Gekkibi]

引用自 Sorokonojka：

引用自 Crashed：

Is there any malware or other code that harms systems in the game?

There are some games that use features that can be considered potentially dangerous. Some people call it "false positive" and then when I ask Symantec about the process the confirm that it has potentially dangerous features.

I was tempted to mention DRMs earlier. Now I no longer can resist my urges to do so.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Crashed：

Generally, won't stolen assets not get a game removed unless the original owner files a complaint?

Correct. The owner of said content needs to file a DMCA to game the game removed.