Ban?

[zuniger]

Steam really should ban some of these games, like If you wanna play some dating sim that's fine I dont care if it has sex scenes. But I feel like Rape is a good place to draw the line? "Natzukis life in prison" was a game I saw when browsing specials, its literally about a girl getting raped in prison. Im not super religious or uptight but like wtf is that? Not like it's hard for kids to buy this crap at all. Like two consenting adults doing it is one thing, but this is just some pervs fantasy.

[zuniger]

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Ok there are cases where "having a safe space at home" is a good idea. But I honestly doubt you are a parent at all if you would allow your child to play the game that made me make this thread safe space or not. That's not something you should want your kid to see at any age.

I wouldn't allow either of my kids to play it, no. And I'm not interested in that game myself either, I have the Adult Filter activated since I'm not interested in any of the games in there.

But I have had sit downs with the kids about content that exists online. And content that friends of them will talk about and will want them to see.
We also made the rules to use the Steam account together. Part of that is no accepting of random people as friends, no unlimiting the account, no payment attached to the account, etc. If they want a new game, we look it over, they give me the money here at home and I gift the game through Steam. I keep a tab on sales like I do for myself through ITAD.

The thing is you can't eliminate that kids will run into it. But completely shielding them from it, pretending it doesn't exist won't work either. But making them aware of what's there and explaining why it's something you rather don't want them to see/do, achieves much more. Curiosity is part of growing up, as a parent one should be part of that to guide the kids in that.

Im not trying to get rid of it completely obviously that's impossible. But you can see it right next to normal ones and while you might be able to watch what your kids play other parents are not so tech savy. Like I dont think asking to remove porn off the game store is unreasonable. Like you said if a kid is really trying to find it they will, but I legit have to hit "new and trending" and its number 2, the number 1 is another porn game. Like kids can easily see that and again you click on it and the main screenshot has uncensored penis. Like I feel like a kid who just got into anime could easily see that. Alot of younger kids use there brother account. Removing this stuff from the steam store makes it harder for kids to access and see it.

[MonkehMaster]

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Aachen님이 먼저 게시:

What do you consider Custer’s Revenge, exactly?

I bet “actual” is doing a lot of the lifting in that statement.

So you’re saying all clerks at video stores with both sections for children’s movies and pornography were “sick,” eh?

There are no other possible conclusions to reach?

I’d say you’re wrong.

What?! What do WWI veterans have do with this issue?

:spazdunno:

Really? Custer's revenge? All your arguments are nit picking at best, like the vast majority of games are not about sex, they might have sexual content like in the witcher games but its not like you have gerald's genitals in full view or anything. I dont get how these are rational arguments like they are quite obviously different. The witcher is about slaying monsters the sexual content is a side thing, idk how you can compare them at all.

they cant rationalize or do proper comparisons, its a sad reality here on steam where all you get is nonsense comments, drama and skirt the line rudeness, insults and w/e they can come up with to make the topic an argument and hope it gets locked in the long run, maybe someone even gets banned.

i agree OP, a game like that doesnt belong on steam and personally i dont think any pornography games belong on steam.

pornography and sexual content are 2 different things, which it seems others in this thread either dont get or purposely ignore, anywho... these pornography games being passed of as "visual novels" or w/e other thing they are claiming to be, seem to be being allowed by steam and i guess steam is hoping parents of today with young children will be responsible... which is laughable to say the least... i wont say all the people, but most in these newer generations dont have a clue about maturity, morality, responsibility, parenting, or the likes... ect.. ect..

[Crystal Sharrd]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Really? Custer's revenge? All your arguments are nit picking at best, like the vast majority of games are not about sex, they might have sexual content like in the witcher games but its not like you have gerald's genitals in full view or anything. I dont get how these are rational arguments like they are quite obviously different. The witcher is about slaying monsters the sexual content is a side thing, idk how you can compare them at all.

they cant rationalize or do proper comparisons, its a sad reality here on steam where all you get is nonsense comments, drama and skirt the line rudeness, insults and w/e they can come up with to make the topic an argument and hope it gets locked in the long run, maybe someone even gets banned.

i agree OP, a game like that doesnt belong on steam and personally i dont think any pornography games belong on steam.

pornography and sexual content are 2 different things, which it seems others in this thread either dont get or purposely ignore, anywho... these pornography games being passed of as "visual novels" or w/e other thing they are claiming to be, seem to be being allowed by steam and i guess steam is hoping parents of today with young children will be responsible... which is laughable to say the least... i wont say all the people, but most in these newer generations dont have a clue about maturity, morality, responsibility, parenting, or the likes... ect.. ect..

Valve should not be expected to restrict what content is available on that platform because of irresponsible parents who aren't able to properly take care of their kids.
I have no interest in adult content, but I'm fine with it being available for other adults who are interested in it. I'm not going to be selfish and ask for it to be removed.

[Haruspex]

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Im not trying to get rid of it completely obviously that's impossible. But you can see it right next to normal ones and while you might be able to watch what your kids play other parents are not so tech savy. Like I dont think asking to remove porn off the game store is unreasonable. Like you said if a kid is really trying to find it they will, but I legit have to hit "new and trending" and its number 2, the number 1 is another porn game. Like kids can easily see that and again you click on it and the main screenshot has uncensored penis. Like I feel like a kid who just got into anime could easily see that. Alot of younger kids use there brother account. Removing this stuff from the steam store makes it harder for kids to access and see it.

First off, this means you opted in to see this kind of content. It's disabled by default, so at some point you gave your consent to see this content by removing that block.

Also what makes Steam different from, say, satellite TV service? I remember when my son was younger. We were at my parents house, and my son was playing with the remote, flipping through the kid's channels. We thought nothing of it until suddenly hard-core porn was on screen. I've never turned a TV off so quickly. My son asked "What was that?", and I replied "Uh, nothing. Just a scary monster show." I was trying to dissuade him. Bad choice, because my son's eyes lit up and he exclaimed "I want to watch the scary monster show!"

The porn channels were just a couple of guide pages away from the kid's cartoons. My parents didn't have it blocked, because they live by themselves and never needed it.

I didn't get upset at DirecTV for having such content on the same service as the kid's cartoons. In fact, Steam is more secure than that since you have to opt in, while with the satellite service you have to go in and block that stuff manually.

A store near me has a magazine rack. The top shelf has the porn, while the bottom shelf has the kid's activity books and such.

[zuniger]

sonic65101님이 먼저 게시:

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

they cant rationalize or do proper comparisons, its a sad reality here on steam where all you get is nonsense comments, drama and skirt the line rudeness, insults and w/e they can come up with to make the topic an argument and hope it gets locked in the long run, maybe someone even gets banned.

i agree OP, a game like that doesnt belong on steam and personally i dont think any pornography games belong on steam.

pornography and sexual content are 2 different things, which it seems others in this thread either dont get or purposely ignore, anywho... these pornography games being passed of as "visual novels" or w/e other thing they are claiming to be, seem to be being allowed by steam and i guess steam is hoping parents of today with young children will be responsible... which is laughable to say the least... i wont say all the people, but most in these newer generations dont have a clue about maturity, morality, responsibility, parenting, or the likes... ect.. ect..

Valve should not be expected to restrict what content is available on that platform because of irresponsible parents who aren't able to properly take care of their kids.
I have no interest in adult content, but I'm fine with it being available for other adults who are interested in it. I'm not going to be selfish and ask for it to be removed.

Id argue that you are being selfish by wanting it on here, why not prioritize children's safety over some weirdo's fantasy? My parents would have zero clue on how to use parental controls, they never had to when i was growing up. Only way for me to get a game was thru my parents by either saving up my own money and getting them to drive me or as a gift. Nowadays a kid can buy a kiddie game and save the card and buy whatever. It only says Valve on my bill when I buy a game and a Kid can lie when asked.

[zuniger]

8bitbeard님이 먼저 게시:

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Im not trying to get rid of it completely obviously that's impossible. But you can see it right next to normal ones and while you might be able to watch what your kids play other parents are not so tech savy. Like I dont think asking to remove porn off the game store is unreasonable. Like you said if a kid is really trying to find it they will, but I legit have to hit "new and trending" and its number 2, the number 1 is another porn game. Like kids can easily see that and again you click on it and the main screenshot has uncensored penis. Like I feel like a kid who just got into anime could easily see that. Alot of younger kids use there brother account. Removing this stuff from the steam store makes it harder for kids to access and see it.

First off, this means you opted in to see this kind of content. It's disabled by default, so at some point you gave your consent to see this content by removing that block.

Also what makes Steam different from, say, satellite TV service? I remember when my son was younger. We were at my parents house, and my son was playing with the remote, flipping through the kid's channels. We thought nothing of it until suddenly hard-core porn was on screen. I've never turned a TV off so quickly. My son asked "What was that?", and I replied "Uh, nothing. Just a scary monster show." I was trying to dissuade him. Bad choice, because my son's eyes lit up and he exclaimed "I want to watch the scary monster show!"

The porn channels were just a couple of guide pages away from the kid's cartoons. My parents didn't have it blocked, because they live by themselves and never needed it.

I didn't get upset at DirecTV for having such content on the same service as the kid's cartoons. In fact, Steam is more secure than that since you have to opt in, while with the satellite service you have to go in and block that stuff manually.

A store near me has a magazine rack. The top shelf has the porn, while the bottom shelf has the kid's activity books and such.

Well you need to pay extra for the porn channels and I would argue that having hardcore porn there was a horrible idea. Imagine if you weren't there and that was your kids first sexual experience. Like obviously sure I opted in at one point, but you make it sound like I needed my ID or something to do it. Ive already given multiple reasons as to why thats not enough.

[Yasahi]

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Id argue that you are being selfish by wanting it on here, why not prioritize children's safety over some weirdo's fantasy? My parents would have zero clue on how to use parental controls, they never had to when i was growing up. Only way for me to get a game was thru my parents by either saving up my own money and getting them to drive me or as a gift. Nowadays a kid can buy a kiddie game and save the card and buy whatever. It only says Valve on my bill when I buy a game and a Kid can lie when asked.

And I'd argue you're being selfish and clueless when you want a store that is for customers aged 13 and over with mostly an adult userbase to cater primarily to children. Children are not the main demographic on Steam, adults are.

Bad parenting is not a reason for a business to shoot themselves in the foot and cut out a revenue stream. Parents have all the available tools to keep their children from seeing such content to begin with.

[zuniger]

Yasahi님이 먼저 게시:

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

Id argue that you are being selfish by wanting it on here, why not prioritize children's safety over some weirdo's fantasy? My parents would have zero clue on how to use parental controls, they never had to when i was growing up. Only way for me to get a game was thru my parents by either saving up my own money and getting them to drive me or as a gift. Nowadays a kid can buy a kiddie game and save the card and buy whatever. It only says Valve on my bill when I buy a game and a Kid can lie when asked.

And I'd argue you're being selfish and clueless when you want a store that is for customers aged 13 and over with mostly an adult userbase to cater primarily to children. Children are not the main demographic on Steam, adults are.

Bad parenting is not a reason for a business to shoot themselves in the foot and cut out a revenue stream. Parents have all the available tools to keep their children from seeing such content to begin with.

I dont get why asking porn to be removed is catering to children. Again its not bad parenting, mine would have no idea how to set up an account or manage it. That doesn't make them bad parents.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Futtbucker님이 먼저 게시:

sonic65101님이 먼저 게시:

Valve should not be expected to restrict what content is available on that platform because of irresponsible parents who aren't able to properly take care of their kids.
I have no interest in adult content, but I'm fine with it being available for other adults who are interested in it. I'm not going to be selfish and ask for it to be removed.

Id argue that you are being selfish by wanting it on here, why not prioritize children's safety over some weirdo's fantasy? My parents would have zero clue on how to use parental controls, they never had to when i was growing up. Only way for me to get a game was thru my parents by either saving up my own money and getting them to drive me or as a gift. Nowadays a kid can buy a kiddie game and save the card and buy whatever. It only says Valve on my bill when I buy a game and a Kid can lie when asked.

Honestly, I don't have any interest in adult content. I'd find it uninteresting at best and disgusting at worst. But I'm not a fan of unnecessary censorship, or of bad parents finding anything to blame but themselves. They need to take responsibility for their children.

[ShelLuser]

So... the funny thing is... OP is clueless.

I happen to enjoy adult games from time to time and I quickly started recognizing a pattern.

1) A lot of these games don't take themselves too seriously which often results in very relaxed, casual and entertaining gameplay.

2) Some of these games DO take themselves seriously and they actually provide something extra besides all the fan service.

3) (this has nothing to do with adult games in general): Most of the times when people cry "foul" about a game they more than often actually have no clue what it's all about and/or... they're simply biased and refuse to acknowledge this. I think (= personal opinion!) they're either really clueless or... I dunno.

Item 3 is important here IMO because... wouldn't you agree that this thread draws a lot of attention to this game? OP is advocating A, triggering a discussion, keeps it going and by doing so achieves B; the exact opposite. If it wasn't for this thread I honestlyl wouldn't have noticed nor actually bought the entire PlayMeow bundle.


So about that....

OP tries to make it sound as if the publisher is trying to utilize rape as some form of sick perverted pleasure for its player base. The fact though is, my previously mentioned point #2 acually applies to this game.

Yes, rape is part of this game because this game tries to showcase the impact this can have on women and it tells a story about a strong woman who fell victim to it but refuses to let that dominate her life and instead actually steps up in order to try and see that justice gets served.

For sure this game is explicit, but it also tries to tell one heck of an impressive story.

In the end it all depends on how you want to deal with it and where you want to focus on. Is the glass half full or half empty?

Or maybe.... what does it tell us about you if you want to cry foul about something yet without bothering to even try to find out what this is really all about? If you check the thread OP has in the game forum you'll notice that he doesn't have the iconic Steam mouse icon next to their name, yet I have since this weekend..

I don't have kids IRL, this was a very specific choice between SO and me. But having said that.. I wouldn't encourage it, but if "my" 14 -16" year old would have played this I'd honestly ask them about it and about how they felt about the way the story played out and I'd made sure that I'd actually approve of their choice to play it.

Because there's a lot more besides the "rape scene" in here.

Heck, by that reasoning I guess iconic movies like Barbarella are also "bad" all of a sudden. Or what about the Asian classic (IMO) "Naked weapon"? Awesome movie IMO.

"What I don't like needs to be censored or removed", that's what this is all about. Suggestion: why not try to press alt-f4 and just go on with your unmerry ways?

</vent>

[zuniger]

ShelLuser님이 먼저 게시:

So... the funny thing is... OP is clueless.

I happen to enjoy adult games from time to time and I quickly started recognizing a pattern.

1) A lot of these games don't take themselves too seriously which often results in very relaxed, casual and entertaining gameplay.

2) Some of these games DO take themselves seriously and they actually provide something extra besides all the fan service.

3) (this has nothing to do with adult games in general): Most of the times when people cry "foul" about a game they more than often actually have no clue what it's all about and/or... they're simply biased and refuse to acknowledge this. I think (= personal opinion!) they're either really clueless or... I dunno.

Item 3 is important here IMO because... wouldn't you agree that this thread draws a lot of attention to this game? OP is advocating A, triggering a discussion, keeps it going and by doing so achieves the exact opposite. If it wasn't for this thread I honestlyl wouldn't have noticed nor actually bought the entire PlayMeow bundle.


So about that....

OP tries to make it sound as if the publisher is trying to utilize rape as some form of sick perverted pleasure for its player base. The fact though is, my previously mentioned point #2 acually applies to this game.

Yes, rape is part of this game because this game tries to showcase the impact this can have on women and it tells a story about a strong woman who fell victim to it but refuses to let that dominate her life and instead actually steps up in order to try and see that justice gets served.

For sure this game is explicit, but it also tries to tell one heck of an impressive story.

In the end it all depends on how you want to deal with it and where you want to focus on. Is the glass half full or half empty?

Or maybe.... what does it tell us about you if you want to cry foul about something yet without bothering to even try to find out what this is really all about? If you check the thread OP has in the game forum you'll notice that he doesn't have the iconic Steam mouse icon next to their name, yet I have since this weekend..

I don't have kids IRL, this was a very specific choice between SO and me. But having said that.. I wouldn't encourage it, but if "my" 14 -16" year old would have played this I'd honestly ask them about it and about how they felt about the way the story played out and I'd made sure that I'd actually approve of their choice to play it.

Because there's a lot more besides the "rape scene" in here.

Heck, by that reasoning I guess iconic movies like Barbarella are also "bad" all of a sudden. Or what about the Asian classic (IMO) "Naked weapon"? Awesome movie IMO.

"What I don't like needs to be censored or removed", that's what this is all about. Suggestion: why not try to press alt-f4 and just go on with your unmerry ways?

</vent>

Its really crazy the mental gymnastic people do make this seem normal or that's is got seem deeper meaning. We both know this Isnt a "game" its interactive porn. We also both know this isnt some deep emotional story driven anti-rape art piece. Its an interactive rape fantasy that people like you use as jerk off material. Its pathetic

[zuniger]

"Yes, rape is part of this game because this game tries to showcase the impact this can have on women and it tells a story about a strong woman who fell victim to it but refuses to let that dominate her life and instead actually steps up in order to try and see that justice gets served."
Like the fact you say this like you aren't jerking off to her getting raped is disgusting but mostly pathetic. We both know what the game is being used for.

[ShelLuser]

(edit: seems OPs name got revoked, ironic indeed. I actually deeply respect Steam's rules, esp. during a thread like this (I deeply respect: appreciate the amount of freedom to discuss subjects like these!) so I took it onto myself to apply censorship).

OP님이 먼저 게시:

We both know this Isnt a "game" its interactive porn.

How would you know considering that you don't even own the game?

OP님이 먼저 게시:

We also both know this isnt some deep emotional story driven anti-rape art piece.

Do you now?

OP님이 먼저 게시:

Its an interactive rape fantasy that people like you use as jerk off material. Its pathetic

Do you even know what interactive means? Wake up call: It's not about clicking the rape picture away in order to read the rest of the story.

OP님이 먼저 게시:

"Yes, rape is part of this game because this game tries to showcase the impact this can have on women and it tells a story about a strong woman who fell victim to it but refuses to let that dominate her life and instead actually steps up in order to try and see that justice gets served."
Like the fact you say this like you aren't jerking off to her getting raped is disgusting but mostly pathetic. We both know what the game is being used for.

You mean "I" know, you don't even own it so what would you know?

I happen to know for example that in Japan this kind of genre actually IS a form of entertainment and you get to see movies there which only showcase this and nothing more. No morale story, no strong women (the total opposite) and yah...

And with that knowledge I can still side with this game.

Sorry to say, you don't know anything. But I do want to thank you for your last response because it sure took away any doubts I might have had. I saw you're already banned from said game forum even though they're actually very lenient when it comes to people who want to express their disdain for the game.

I think that says enough. Not to mention the fact that you can only sling poor insults against me in your reply vs. actually debunking my claims with actual arguments.

As I said before: the world doesn't evolve around you, you might want to try and realize this fact here and now before it might actually hit you in the face sometimes.

[Ogami]

I am sorry but i had a real good chuckle after seeing the only thing being banned is OPs stupid nickname.
Sometimes Steam is just..... chef kiss*

[zuniger]

I mean kinda proves my point if anything lol. Nobody here has had any real logical argument other then lies and fallacy's and the fact that you had to report my name enforces that fact. You really think that matters? Not the first or last time Ive changed it.