Steam points system rewards spammers :(

[🔥 Svecka 🔥]

I love steam points, that you can reward people for their hard work on workshop items, guides, or even helpful or funny review BUT things got out of control.

People are literally spamming SAME COPY PASTE GUIDES on game pages, to get steam points, because currently Steam Guides pages show NEW guides first. And if you update OLD GUIDE, it will not get any bump or "traffic" on steam guides page, so people instead of updating old guides, they just create new ones.

Also same goes for Workshop items. Individual are stealing or change very little, like name, colour and upload them as new worshop item. Or upload their own workshop item with every change as new version. Just for sake of steam points and more visibility boost.

In almost every game there are spammers with guide, workshop items. I report them many times, but almost 0 things has been done to them.

I'm quite disappointed, as guides and workshop items have become literally spam paradise.

Can spamming report become more efficient? I have reported a guy, who literally copy pastes Don't starve Together guide page every few weeks with copy paste guide on Klei webpage links. He has over 12 identical guides now.

[Angel]

Not sure you can do anything... And yes I agree this thing is getting out of control. Helpful and non stolen/copied things are buried under all the nonsense.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

People award spammers. Likely from their friends or alts. Normal people with half a brain don't waste points on junk posts.

[Velorace]

Someoene should create a system for that.

Thanks, thank you, for listing me the problem.

It's a good place to start with...

[Fishie]

Svecka の投稿を引用：

I love steam points, that you can reward people for their hard work on workshop items, guides, or even helpful or funny review BUT things got out of control.

People are literally spamming SAME COPY PASTE GUIDES on game pages, to get steam points, because currently Steam Guides pages show NEW guides first. And if you update OLD GUIDE, it will not get any bump or "traffic" on steam guides page, so people instead of updating old guides, they just create new ones.

Also same goes for Workshop items. Individual are stealing or change very little, like name, colour and upload them as new worshop item. Or upload their own workshop item with every change as new version. Just for sake of steam points and more visibility boost.

In almost every game there are spammers with guide, workshop items. I report them many times, but almost 0 things has been done to them.

I'm quite disappointed, as guides and workshop items have become literally spam paradise.

Can spamming report become more efficient? I have reported a guy, who literally copy pastes Don't starve Together guide page every few weeks with copy paste guide on Klei webpage links. He has over 12 identical guides now.

Just because someone posts the exact same guide as someone else doesn't mean it was copied. People post what they want. If valve would remove people's guides just because it is similar to someone else with different images or maybe the same image but the image is a public domain image then valve shouldn't remove it or that would mean they favorite certain people and don't let anyone else share their guides just because someone posted it before them and many users can have the same name so you might want to actually check if they are indeed spamming the same guide over and over and if they are just report it and moved on there nothing else you can do. And a moderator will take of it when ever a moderator gets to it.

[🔥 Svecka 🔥]

You don't see whole picture. It's not the problem that people write unique but the same guides. Problem is recopying and reposing the SAME guide over and over with 0% change just for sake of steam points gathering, because new guides hit the first page on steam guides page for the game and players read them first.

As i said, its not problem if 100 people write guides for the same topic, problem is that 1 person repost same guide 100 times. That clearly is spamming and it server no good purpose for community.

[Nx Machina]

Svecka の投稿を引用：

You don't see whole picture. It's not the problem that people write unique but the same guides. Problem is recopying and reposing the SAME guide over and over with 0% change just for sake of steam points gathering, because new guides hit the first page on steam guides page for the game and players read them first. As i said, its not problem if 100 people write guides for the same topic, problem is that 1 person repost same guide 100 times. If that is not spaming, than its beyond me.

Then you report them and if no action is taken, accept it.

[Fishie]

Svecka の投稿を引用：

You don't see whole picture. It's not the problem that people write unique but the same guides. Problem is recopying and reposing the SAME guide over and over with 0% change just for sake of steam points gathering, because new guides hit the first page on steam guides page for the game and players read them first.

As i said, its not problem if 100 people write guides for the same topic, problem is that 1 person repost same guide 100 times. That clearly is spamming and it server no good purpose for community.

What are you suggesting to fix that issue? Also not sure if you read my edit. But if you report there is nothing else you can do and a moderator will take care of it when they get to it if it violates anything. Or just do what post #6 says. Just accept it, move on, ignore it.

[🔥 Svecka 🔥]

That's why I opened this topic, as REPORTING DOES NOT WORK and need to be improved, to stop spammers from destroying community.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/qh05ci/ive_reported_772_game_unrelated_steam_guides/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/3080999687778888636/

[Mad Scientist]

Svecka の投稿を引用：

That's why I opened this topic, as REPORTING DOES NOT WORK and need to be improved, to stop spammers from destroying community.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/qh05ci/ive_reported_772_game_unrelated_steam_guides/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/3080999687778888636/

Posting anything on reddit is going to do nothing. Reporting works, if actionable, and doesn't always result in action. Including detailed information (linking to the same things copy/pasted as example) can help action be taken if any is needed.

If you want to be heard, it's not going to be on reddit.

[cinedine]

Mr. Gentlebot の投稿を引用：

If you want to be heard, it's not going to be on reddit.

And it's not on these forums either. Even if a mod writes an open letter complaining about the spam inducing badge task.
It's astonishing that somebody genuinely thought that steam point would reward good, creative or helpful content more than it would create a spam fest. Or they simply didn't care and just look at "user interactions" or some other KPI friendly measurement.

[Matt]

There's not a good solution here. People can give their points to whoever they want. Also, spam existed before the point system was added. Best you can do is report whatever content you think is spam and someone would review those reports.

[Garou]

I used to report meme guides but they get posted way too much and I dont care wasting my time trying to fight them anymore. Even pre-moderation team in hubs like CSGO is letting them through, so what's the point.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Every product & service in this existence has had & will continue to have unintended uses by the people who utilize them.

This is the same problem that games with narratives have of wanting to tell a specific story but the players will constantly undermine that story by trying to play in ways that those players want to, even if those ways deviate from the intended path set out for them by a game's creator.

The people upstairs of upstairs could certainly implement a content control bot that scans for exactly identical reviews & that would really do a lot to help the situation, as moderators can't see everything all at once (& so even if you report, it might not seem like it's copy & pasted to a human).

The best thing to do is usually to just embrace the chaos, but there's different ways of doing that - if there was a system scanning for such reviews, it could separate them out into their own category, since people seem to actually like them, despite their irrelevance.

In the mean-time, this tool for users to use doesn't prevent moderators from taking action or other users from filing reports, so, these 2 systems can actually be in conflict with each other & Valve's employee team can be the ones to sort out the mess (mods are either outsourced or volunteers).
ie. If you think it's in violation of the Steam Community Guidelines, then report it ...I guess,
unless a mod specifically told you not to do so (at least I hope they're capable of communicating that clearly & actually will do so).

Svecka の投稿を引用：

You don't see whole picture. It's not the problem that people write unique but the same guides. Problem is recopying and reposing the SAME guide over and over with 0% change just for sake of steam points gathering, because new guides hit the first page on steam guides page for the game and players read them first.

As i said, its not problem if 100 people write guides for the same topic, problem is that 1 person repost same guide 100 times. That clearly is spamming and it server no good purpose for community.

Imperfection in moderation is a timeless issue.

There's a lot to debate there & arguably they could put in more effort, & be provided better tools, & be provided better incentives ...& more reliable incentives - but at the end of the day, sometimes they miss some details & dismiss something that maybe shouldn't be getting dismissed.

I wish I knew a bit more, myself, as to why this happens because it makes certain things look acceptable that aren't & I can't even get a mod to confirm that something which a report gets ignored for, was in fact report-worthy in the first place & that it was the type of content that should continue to be reported in the future (rather than just not reporting that kind of content anymore).

You know what they say, though - nobody is perfect.
(Don't let that get to your heads, though, mods... that statement, while a universal law, can also be used to justify not trying to improve, which isn't something anyone should be comfortable with.)


Anyways, all in all, that's about all there is to it right now.
Not sure what more there is to discuss about this matter but... surprise me.

[Rens Agatha ⁧【レンス】]

Big Bridge.mp4 の投稿を引用：

People award spammers. Likely from their friends or alts. Normal people with half a brain don't waste points on junk posts.

nah not really i made a random joke which i dont think it was a good joke and people into that ♥♥♥♥ and gave me in total 20.000 point

[Velorace]

Rens Agatha の投稿を引用：

Big Bridge.mp4 の投稿を引用：

People award spammers. Likely from their friends or alts. Normal people with half a brain don't waste points on junk posts.

nah not really i made a random joke which i dont think it was a goodjoke I Commiten a Crime and people into that ♥♥♥♥ and gave me in total 20.000 point

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