Get rid of the Jester icon and "this review is funny" option

[Jaegeras]

I mean honestly, on top of the unhelpful, meme and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reviews that I see in general for a number of games. The last thing reviews needed are these two and why? Because there's going to be people going around with a level of malice behind some of the actions that they do. You can give an honest review that's constructive criticism, someone finds it funny. They also toss a jester icon on it.

Does Valve at all care about reviewing in general? No, they don't. But they kinda should if it's going to be there at all as a feature. Epic Games has it right by not having user reviews, is because of the childish mentality numerous Steam users has in chipping at and degrading the value of what a review is supposed to be.

A review is supposed to be a guiding beacon to suggest to someone whether or not a game is worth getting. But it just seems like, as with everything online, to be taken as some opinion which it is. Except, if I've learned anything from the internet at all, is that people don't like opposing opinions. They just want circlejerks and validation.

You mind as well not have a reviewing section at all, Valve. It's being treated as a toy.

[Start_Running]

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

You can already buy the Steam Points. and you get a free game as a bonus.

That isn't buying steam points if I have to buy a game. I don't want a game in my library when I can buy points directly.

YOu're not buying a game though. You're buying steam points and getting a free game with it. You're looking at it the wrong way you silly goose.

[Mad Scientist]

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

Cool, deonstrate your evidence that it encourages hate and so on. Not assertions, evidence please.

There is tons of evidence already on steam.

The usual thin skinned people that claim it has some sort of negative use is not evidence.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

But some people refuse to see it because they refuse to change the abusive system.

It's not an abusive system. Some users love making up that they feel a way about something and believe it to be that, thus victimizing themselves by in their own minds making that negative thing their own personal reality as if it does some sort of trauma to them. This means the internet is NOT for those people.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Giving a jester award or hilarious award to someone they disagree with or hate is one explample

So? It's free points. If it comes from disagreement, woop-de-doo.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

them only they are doing it to be rude.

Even if that's the case, it's awfully hard to be rude with free points for cosmetic things.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

So awards need to be removed.

They don't, you should also know that when mods remove your thread and posts just copy/pasting a part over & over again, that perhaps you need to stop.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Especially that is why schools don't give awards because it causes depression and amoung other things.

This isn't school and kids are practically taught to be thin skinned, easily offended, or otherwise that somehow everyone must be awarded just for participating, or that no one should get anything because failure or not winning is somehow 'offensive' compared to the winner.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

If someone obly gives you a jester or hilarious awards all the time or it only thing on your profile it cause people's with disabilities to have worse depression

No it doesn't. Anyone with depression that gets more depressed by free points should definitely not be using the internet as it's not to be a hug-box, and should seek proper diagnosing & treatment, especially the treatment part because there's something OVERLY wrong with them if this happens or otherwise they've been grown up / taught to feel this way about these things over time. Or, they're just a child and haven't been given any proper social interaction that they should.

Anyway, since you keep basically saying the same thing over & over it's less likely you're serious, and more likely that you're just another person trying to bait others into giving you the Jester for being silly / funny / absurd etc, people have tried similar words and other negative selections of why they should remove the Jester just to bait people into giving it to them. This is likely no different, at all.

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

That isn't buying steam points if I have to buy a game. I don't want a game in my library when I can buy points directly.

You can't buy points directly, and this is moreover showing more evidence toward fishing/baiting for awards thus points without spending money, which since you're aware of awards does tend to make it more believable that you're just fishing for awards.



This is a classic example of why these threads usually get locked, and I'm amazed that it hasn't been, because someone tries this stuff every single week.

[my new friend]

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

There is tons of evidence already on steam. But some people refuse to see it because they refuse to change the abusive system.

So awards need to be removed.

Unless they use it appropriately and use it on actual funny stuff but giving a profile or a review a jester or hilarious award is un called for and needs removed. Especially people use it not responsibly anyways so they should just remove it.

So, trying to farm them is ok but everything else is wrong?
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/2961670087552385086/

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Lordly Cinder eredeti hozzászólása:

So because there are problems in a non perfect world you want to remove the entire system because its not perfect. It removes our voices. Can barely make opinions know as it is. Shoot youtube doesnt even allow a thumbs down anymore.

...why not just make a forum post as a response?

The only circumstances where you currently can only make your opinion known through Steam Awards are if the forum thread is locked, and any other circumstance where you aren't allowed to comment.

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

There is tons of evidence already on steam.

The usual thin skinned people that claim it has some sort of negative use is not evidence.

You might notice that it's not "the usual" but rather a succession of different people.

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

But some people refuse to see it because they refuse to change the abusive system.

It's not an abusive system. Some users love making up that they feel a way about something and believe it to be that, thus victimizing themselves by in their own minds making that negative thing their own personal reality as if it does some sort of trauma to them.

Actually, it's pretty easy to tell when something is being used as an insult, and one doesn't even need to be the victim to be able to tell this.

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

This means the internet is NOT for those people.

Get used to people not like you being on the internet, dude.

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Giving a jester award or hilarious award to someone they disagree with or hate is one explample

So? It's free points. If it comes from disagreement, woop-de-doo.

Just because the action produces a benefit to the target does not mean the action isn't being used as an insult.

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

That isn't buying steam points if I have to buy a game. I don't want a game in my library when I can buy points directly.

You can't buy points directly, and this is moreover showing more evidence toward fishing/baiting for awards thus points without spending money, which since you're aware of awards does tend to make it more believable that you're just fishing for awards.



This is a classic example of why these threads usually get locked, and I'm amazed that it hasn't been, because someone tries this stuff every single week.

For some reason you don't think that someone can legit have the opinion that changes should be made to the awards, but instead have decided that all such suggestions are "fishing/baiting for awards".

Also, frankly speaking, even if they are "fishing/baiting for awards", it takes two to tango -- other people are "awarding" such behavior. Complain about other people too easily falling for "bait" instead.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if that's the case, it's awfully hard to be rude with free points for cosmetic things.

It's trivially easy, and jesters are a perfect example of it.

Rudeness isn't a calculation of material wealth gained or lost from an event. It's an attitude communicated to someone. The points are another matter.

Rudeness is also not whether or not you were upset by the event. If you're not bothered, and happy you got points, great, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that the person on the other end was being rude. They were, you just don't care. They're two independent things.

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no, valve should do as i say.

[Start_Running]

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if that's the case, it's awfully hard to be rude with free points for cosmetic things.

It's trivially easy, and jesters are a perfect example of it.

Rudeness isn't a calculation of material wealth gained or lost from an event. It's an attitude communicated to someone. The points are another matter.

It could also be said to be an attitude perceived by someone.
Human perception isn't always accurate.
There are people who choose to perceive insult and malice in everything.

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

Rudeness is also not whether or not you were upset by the event. If you're not bothered, and happy you got points, great, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that the person on the other end was being rude. They were, you just don't care. They're two independent things.

Here's the thing though. If you're happy you got the points then you'dve pretty much negated any rudeness that may have been intended. So again we're back to that sort of thing affecting a certain group of people who are primed to see insult and rudeness even where none exists.

The Jester can be used as an indication of 'hey that was funny', 'This made me laugh', 'Or what a clown head' One out of those three is potentially insulting. Which not surprisingly is a common trait in all human communication. Any phrase can become qan insult in the right context or with the right inflection of voice.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Here's the thing though. If you're happy you got the points then you'dve pretty much negated any rudeness that may have been intended.

No you haven’t. The effect of the rudeness on you, it’s ability to upset you, may be negated. The rudeness itself doesn’t go away, you just don’t care about it. That’s what I was just saying in the part of the post you quoted first: rudeness isn’t the balancing of a chequebook, with income cancelling out costs. I’m not here concerned about offence, I’m concerned about behaviour and Steam’s part in what they encourage.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

The Jester can be used as an indication of 'hey that was funny', 'This made me laugh', 'Or what a clown head'. One out of those three is potentially insulting. Which not surprisingly is a common trait in all human communication. Any phrase can become qan insult in the right context or with the right inflection of voice.

(Bolded parts are contradictory - all of those three phrases can be used as insults, as you rightly point out)

Yes, theoretically people could use jesters in a non-insulting way. But they largely don’t, and as you say, the context is what makes that clear. People aren’t applying it to entirely serious, unfunny posts by people they disagree with out of kindness. We all know that, and it’s just a waste of all our time to pretend otherwise.

[Start_Running]

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Here's the thing though. If you're happy you got the points then you'dve pretty much negated any rudeness that may have been intended.

No you haven’t. The effect of the rudeness on you, it’s ability to upset you, may be negated. The rudeness itself doesn’t go away,

If it doesn't bother you, then it doesn't matter if its there or not. It's like someone insulting you in a language you don't understand. If you don't recognize th insult then iit has no effect on you.

If you have a choice between perceiving something as an insult or not an insult, wisdom says its best to assume the non-insult. THat way you don't fall for the person's bait, you don't come across to others as a twitchy snowflake, and if it was intended as an insult you deny the other party the pleasure of irking you which is essentially judoing them.

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

you just don’t care about it.

And if you don't care the matter becomes moot.

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

That’s what I was just saying in the part of the post you quoted first: rudeness isn’t the balancing of a chequebook, with income cancelling out costs. I’m not here concerned about offence, I’m concerned about behaviour and Steam’s part in what they encourage.

Oh but it is. It is very much a chequebook. They are spending points/time/effort to provoke you. If you remain unprovoked then they have wasted.

So it boils down to. Are you one of those people who looks to be offended or the kind who does not let such things bother them. The latter is happy to receive free points, the former will imagine offense no matter what award they are given.

[crunchyfrog]

B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

-snip-

You really can't reason with people when they already have the answer in their head that they repeat over and over again.

I tried this too earlier and pretty much stopped because I got the typical NPC response, get help, stop taking this so seriously, ignore it, or go touch some grass, etc you get the point, but what they do say does have some merit, but Valve has the obligations to minimize it with better options. The Steam points system was rushed out far too early and still needs some fine-tuning (more options).

The major option that I want to see still is a global option that we can not see awards at all anywhere on Steam but people can still give and use awards on our stuff and be rude or childish all they want and people don't have to see it and still get points, since no action will be taken on those users (and yes this was proven her in this post with a user that got like 8 jesters in a row for no reason, I'm sure that wasn't done maliciously at all).

Awards are just the new way to be rude without actually saying anything on forums, UGC, or profiles and worried about getting a warning or a ban.

That depends doesn't it?

You can absolutely reason with a person, but when the person dishonestly claims things like "you have decided on your answer" when it's OBJECTIVELY fact then you're the one not playing correct.

So yes, it depends doesn't it?

If someone is telling you "nope you can't think this way" sure that's ♥♥♥♥.

But if they're telling you "this is enver going to happen for certain reasons" then that's entirely different.

[✪ ROOK1E ✪]

Somehow I agree with this one..or we just can get rid of inappropriate award.
This thread shows how people nowadays have no respect..sending laugh and jester award on dead news? Humanity is dying...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3183487594858222043/

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⋆ VIRTUE 420™ eredeti hozzászólása:

Somehow I agree with this one..or we just can get rid of inappropriate award.
This thread shows how people nowadays have no respect..sending laugh and jester award on dead news? Humanity is dying...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3183487594858222043/

we just can take that reward like a tough guy would as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzC5K7w_e0

[Menzagitat]

⋆ VIRTUE 420™ eredeti hozzászólása:

Humanity is dying...

:(

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if that's the case, it's awfully hard to be rude with free points for cosmetic things.

It's trivially easy, and jesters are a perfect example of it.

Rudeness isn't a calculation of material wealth gained or lost from an event. It's an attitude communicated to someone. The points are another matter.

Rudeness is also not whether or not you were upset by the event. If you're not bothered, and happy you got points, great, good for you. That doesn't change the fact that the person on the other end was being rude. They were, you just don't care. They're two independent things.

This.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

It's trivially easy, and jesters are a perfect example of it.

Rudeness isn't a calculation of material wealth gained or lost from an event. It's an attitude communicated to someone. The points are another matter.

It could also be said to be an attitude perceived by someone.
Human perception isn't always accurate.
There are people who choose to perceive insult and malice in everything.

If you flip someone the bird, are you going to argue that it's the other person's fault for perceiving you flipping them the bird as an insult?

Your argument here is a most pathetic attempt at trying to establish deniability. Because you're arguing that it's people's fault for perceiving meaning in communication itself.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Here's the thing though. If you're happy you got the points then you'dve pretty much negated any rudeness that may have been intended. So again we're back to that sort of thing affecting a certain group of people who are primed to see insult and rudeness even where none exists.

You just admitted the possibility of rudeness. Canceling out the negative utility of rudeness with the positive utility of points doesn't mean that that rudeness didn't happen. If it didn't happen, the person who was awarded would have more positive utility!

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

The Jester can be used as an indication of 'hey that was funny', 'This made me laugh', 'Or what a clown head' One out of those three is potentially insulting. Which not surprisingly is a common trait in all human communication. Any phrase can become qan insult in the right context or with the right inflection of voice.

And here you go again with your reduction to absurdity, blaming people for perceiving meaning in communication at all.

Thankfully, most people have more awareness and understanding of their social context than that which you imagine.

[crunchyfrog]

⋆ VIRTUE 420™ eredeti hozzászólása:

Somehow I agree with this one..or we just can get rid of inappropriate award.
This thread shows how people nowadays have no respect..sending laugh and jester award on dead news? Humanity is dying...

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3183487594858222043/

Except humanity has ALWAYS been like that. It's not even remotely a new thing.

Ever read Chaucer's Canterbury Tales from the 1300s?