Get rid of the Jester icon and "this review is funny" option

[Jaegeras]

I mean honestly, on top of the unhelpful, meme and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reviews that I see in general for a number of games. The last thing reviews needed are these two and why? Because there's going to be people going around with a level of malice behind some of the actions that they do. You can give an honest review that's constructive criticism, someone finds it funny. They also toss a jester icon on it.

Does Valve at all care about reviewing in general? No, they don't. But they kinda should if it's going to be there at all as a feature. Epic Games has it right by not having user reviews, is because of the childish mentality numerous Steam users has in chipping at and degrading the value of what a review is supposed to be.

A review is supposed to be a guiding beacon to suggest to someone whether or not a game is worth getting. But it just seems like, as with everything online, to be taken as some opinion which it is. Except, if I've learned anything from the internet at all, is that people don't like opposing opinions. They just want circlejerks and validation.

You mind as well not have a reviewing section at all, Valve. It's being treated as a toy.

[Angel]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Gus the Crocodile:

You were literally speaking for someone else, telling them what's going on in their own head.

No m8. I was commenting on the impression their post gave me. And you have someone starts asking 'why does this person have more good stuff than I do?' it's hard not to infer a little envy.

Please define "good".

My definition of "quality content" seem to differ than most people, at least on Steam, apparently. For example, I recorded some tutorial videos for Factorio. Is it more interesting than a stupid meme everyone could post "for the lolz" just to get awards? Of course it is.

Funny how the word "greed" is rarely mentioned. When you do everything to get awards -which is what lots of users do- including posting nonsense, nsfw pics, memes, etc, I call that greed.

[Start_Running]

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No m8. I was commenting on the impression their post gave me. And you have someone starts asking 'why does this person have more good stuff than I do?' it's hard not to infer a little envy.

Please define "good".

No need to. We were both using it in the same context,. After all you wouldn't have mentioned rarely getting something you did not want. This is compounded by your question about what's so helpful about 'Memes'.

People don't complain or question not being given ice cream unless then had some interest or desire for ice cream.

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My definition of "quality content" seem to differ than most people, at least on Steam, apparently. For example, I recorded some tutorial videos for Factorio. Is it more interesting than a stupid meme everyone could post "for the lolz" just to get awards? Of course it is.

Maybe yours just wasn't as well done as some of the other tutorial videos people have seen.
Maybe you should look at what the tutorial videos that did get awards did that you didn't.

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Funny how the word "greed" is rarely mentioned. When you do everything to get awards -which is what lots of users do- including posting nonsense, nsfw pics, memes, etc, I call that greed.

Based on your definition of nonsense. The people handing out awards.. define things differently. If you want awards find out what appeals to those giving those awards and modify.

[Angel]

I was mentioning the guides at first. I haven't checked which videos get awards, I'm not sure they receive a lot because this probably isn't the thing most users look at. They usually look at guides, screenshots, reviews.

If I want awards, I know very well what I could do.

EDIT - Nevermind, when memes/guides/reviews for the "lolz" or nsfw images are considered more "quality content" than actual quality content such as walkthrough guides, tutorial videos, etc, this is where I stop taking this thing seriously.

[crunchyfrog]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez ÁROCK!!!:

The key to the reviews is actually reading them, especially the negative ones.

I have found that on average a single negative review will contain more indepth and accurate information than 5 positive reviews together.

I was reading the Dying Light 2 forums the other day....
Time after time I read posters complaining about everything from bugs, boring game play, poor story, bad mechanics, bad crafting, bad voice acting, etc, but then go on to say they gave it a positive review.

I always go to the negative reviews to get a real impression of a game too, particularly EA games. I like the ones where you can tell the dude wants to like a game, but it's just too sh*t and he gave up. Those guys go deep.

On the other side I've seen a lot of reviews, not forum posts but reviews, where they crap all over the game and still give it a thumbs up. I get people want to be nice but what use is that?

DEFINITELY never overlook OPPOSING reviews to yours (I wouldn't even say negative reviews - but more ones that just take the opposite ideas to yours). They are incredibly valuable often more so.

I've often quoted examples of this.

THere was a PS3 game last year that I bought. I twas some obscure little RPG that had escaped me (as I'd bought all the PS3 games I'd wanted long ago). Being obscure I couldn't find much in the way of reviews, so it was a little bit more vague.

I'd seen some good reviews saying it was a bit of a hidden gem, but here were a few that marked it down for being dull but not going into why.

Until I found one review where the person HATED grinding in games. That was the root of the reason why people were saying it was dull in places. As I like grinding in certain cases, this sold it to me.

And I got exactly what I expected thanks to that,

[Dedzju]

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Laughter/humour is immense fun and relieves I would describe or whtvr (♥♥♥♥ it, call me a German, idc...) but it is overvalued.

If you believe that then you have lived a very charmed life.

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"Maybe they weren't as helpful as you thought?" Dude wtf, stop being a kid or drop the attitude, please... Be constructive or keep your cheap reasoning to yourself ffs...

There was no attitude.
That sort of question is asked time and time again.
Every author that wonders why their novel didn't sell well.
Every musician that wonders why no one is buying their albums.
EVery comedian who wonders why no one laughs at their jokes.

The most constructive answer, and usually the truest answer is 'Maybe you're not as as good as you think.'

The alternative is to beluieve your fine and that something must be wrong with your audience. NOthing worth while was ever created with that mindset.

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Naturally, Angel is right. It's simply the way it is and has always been; stupid stuff gets overly praised or gets way too much attention, and meaningful or thoughtful creations or thought are largely ignored by the "masses" or "mainstream"...

And yet one does not have to look hard or long to find a mountain of evidence to contradict that statement. But hey. You're right. Just like the makers of the 2016 Ghostbusters movie. It must be great when one can take failure as a sign of skill and competence.

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Check YouTube when you're not logged into Chrome for example, the amount of sheer stupidity on it is outrageous. Or take TV & radio... The idiocy on it is simply without limitsss... ;D

That depends on where you you look. If you watch stupid stuff, you'll find stupid stuff.
Really this mostly speaks to your viewing habits than the state of media.

Though why specifically CHrome?

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How quickly the idea that people should speak for themselves is discarded.

Did I claim to be speaking for anyone but myself?

Okay, points taken. I'll go with all of 'em. Thanks for setting it all straight. Too tired to discuss 'em or argue

[Menzagitat]

Trained dolphins couldn't get to the bottom of this one.

[Start_Running]

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Trained dolphins couldn't get to the bottom of this one. :winter2019joyfultearssnowman:

Horny Dolphins might.
They're good at getting to bottoms.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

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Of course, it's different when you do it.

Not my fault you can't tell the difference.
Though, that assumes you *want* understand the difference and not make at attempt at snark so weak it might as well be American Beer.

If you've just embarrassed yourself on the internet, a brighter idea would not be to double down on it but to instead try to pretend it didn't happen and move on. Try doing that sometime.

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Początkowo opublikowane przez ////:

yeah, when i first heard of them i imagined that they are going to be implemented differently. firstly - no points, just rewards. secondly, some mechanical limitations. for example: only 1 reward per account per day to give, and only 1 reward of each kind per day. also, no overall counter on how much you gave/received them.

It actually is limited.
You can't give awards without having points. You don't have points without earning them. You don;t earn points without making community contribution or Spending mony on the store. Each point you spend is one less point to spend on something you currently or may want.

far less limited than //// is talking about. You can burn all your points in a day.

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Angel:

Please define "good".

No need to. We were both using it in the same context,. After all you wouldn't have mentioned rarely getting something you did not want. This is compounded by your question about what's so helpful about 'Memes'.

People don't complain or question not being given ice cream unless then had some interest or desire for ice cream.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Angel:

My definition of "quality content" seem to differ than most people, at least on Steam, apparently. For example, I recorded some tutorial videos for Factorio. Is it more interesting than a stupid meme everyone could post "for the lolz" just to get awards? Of course it is.

Maybe yours just wasn't as well done as some of the other tutorial videos people have seen.
Maybe you should look at what the tutorial videos that did get awards did that you didn't.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Angel:

Funny how the word "greed" is rarely mentioned. When you do everything to get awards -which is what lots of users do- including posting nonsense, nsfw pics, memes, etc, I call that greed.

Based on your definition of nonsense. The people handing out awards.. define things differently. If you want awards find out what appeals to those giving those awards and modify.

lol, "standardizing" the definitions of words used by others and then creating an excuse to not do so that supports your own point.

Note that you're the same person who's tried to justify that nonsensical review text constitutes meaningful reviews.

Anyways, it's already been pointed out that jokes and hot takes attract more attention than actually good content.

This is even more the case when there's an award that people pretty much agree (except for some people arguing about it, and even then, some of the people taking that side still nevertheless acknowledge this) is used to ridicule others.

[////]

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It actually is limited.
You can't give awards without having points. You don't have points without earning them. You don;t earn points without making community contribution or Spending mony on the store. Each point you spend is one less point to spend on something you currently or may want.

far less limited than //// is talking about. You can burn all your points in a day.

yep. steam labs are not wrong at all for trying to make everything more playful (not to mention that there is small practical use for point economy, as in theory (from a mature mind's perspective at least) it's not in favor of multi accounting), however, existing system not only enables rationing and playing with points but also trying out pyramid schemes.

[Start_Running]

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far less limited than //// is talking about. You can burn all your points in a day.

yep. steam labs are not wrong at all for trying to make everything more playful (not to mention that there is small practical use for point economy, as in theory (from a mature mind's perspective at least) it's not in favor of multi accounting), however, existing system not only enables rationing and playing with points but also trying out pyramid schemes.

Pyramid schemes? Do explain m8.
As said the economy is basically a striong limit in of itself. Since while you can burn all your points in a day. what you can do is dictated by your points. And once burned, getting them back is a bit of a grind for most people.

[crunchyfrog]

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far less limited than //// is talking about. You can burn all your points in a day.

yep. steam labs are not wrong at all for trying to make everything more playful (not to mention that there is small practical use for point economy, as in theory (from a mature mind's perspective at least) it's not in favor of multi accounting), however, existing system not only enables rationing and playing with points but also trying out pyramid schemes.

The you don't understand what a pyramid scheme is, because there is NOTHING remotely approaching this here.

[Fishie]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Wolf:

No. Without awards there is no point in having steam.

Steam did just fine for almost 2 decades without awards.

And it was very dull. Now it's fun and rewarding.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

I mean, I would surmise most people use Steam to get games, as opposed to get Steam Awards, so...you do you I guess.

[76561199244652074]

Why not just ignore them. It's like upvotes on reddit or likes on fakebook. No one that matters cares.

[Unknown Traveller]

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farming awards

It's interesting to me: I often see people quoting some big post in its entirety and adding nonsense like "I disagree" or "+1" on their own.
What they? Just lazy to highlight only the right sentence? Or do they hope that by mistake the entire quoted text will be taken as their property and given an award? (sorry, if oftopic).