VAC should start banning HWID.

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There's new HWID ban ( used by FiveM, CoD Warzone etc ) FiveM has a better one tho, basically cheaters would have to buy new PC's or motherboards to hack or play on Virtual Machines, there's no known spoofers or workarounds.

Cheaters would be gone in no time.

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Origineel geplaatst door Mr. Gentlebot:

Yet they seem overly effective still overall, when I started banning by IP for example, repeat offenders dropped by nearly 100%, and the amount of raids and raid accounts also severely dropped; making the upcoming ones a drop in the bucket compared to entirely uncontrolled.

You run a server among many. Not a whole game.
If they can't get unto your server, it's less hassle to just find a new one. And you neither know nor care about people being blocked accidentally.

If your *paying* userbase has a considerable amount of people sharing IPs, either by being in the same household, having a central router like in dormatories, or sharing PCs like in internet cafes, it becomes less viable.
There is also a difference in having to deal with casual cheaters and hobbyists. Yes, as dumb as it sounds, there are people who made cheating their lifestyle or rather trolling other users with it. They are the ones purchasing the newest hacks and buying multiple copies of a game. They are also the ones who will just laugh about IP bans.

IP bans are a tool and have their place. But if they were the silver bullet some people make it out to be, you have to wonder why there even are elaborated systems like VAC, EAC, and whatnot.

But yeah, it's incredible easy to block cheaters by IP ban, Simply work block everything but 0.0.0.1. No cheaters at all.

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Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

Origineel geplaatst door Mr. Gentlebot:

Yet they seem overly effective still overall, when I started banning by IP for example, repeat offenders dropped by nearly 100%, and the amount of raids and raid accounts also severely dropped; making the upcoming ones a drop in the bucket compared to entirely uncontrolled.

You run a server among many. Not a whole game.
If they can't get unto your server, it's less hassle to just find a new one. And you neither know nor care about people being blocked accidentally.

If your *paying* userbase has a considerable amount of people sharing IPs, either by being in the same household, having a central router like in dormatories, or sharing PCs like in internet cafes, it becomes less viable.
There is also a difference in having to deal with casual cheaters and hobbyists. Yes, as dumb as it sounds, there are people who made cheating their lifestyle or rather trolling other users with it. They are the ones purchasing the newest hacks and buying multiple copies of a game. They are also the ones who will just laugh about IP bans.

IP bans are a tool and have their place. But if they were the silver bullet some people make it out to be, you have to wonder why there even are elaborated systems like VAC, EAC, and whatnot.

But yeah, it's incredible easy to block cheaters by IP ban, Simply work block everything but 0.0.0.1. No cheaters at all.

Plus the fact that a repeat offender could very well be spoofing their IP or using a VPN to mask it. They'd still be repeat offenders, just with shiny new IP that makes them look like a new offender.

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Origineel geplaatst door ツ Mistake ツ:

Origineel geplaatst door Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

If man made it, then it can be undo by man.

Just like the claim when Riot for Valorant was blabbing how great thier anti cheat kernel level, it was bypass, and cheaters still found away. If you challenge them they find away, you have to go whole 9 yards to make it really inconvenient, such as hidden files, tracking ID, and more, but if someone was using VM, and just spoof their hardwareID then it falls apart on it own quickly.

Never said it cannot be bypassed, but it would take some time to develop proper spoofers and they probs would cost alot. And would not be as easy as clicking 1 button in the UI. Different mobo probs would need different spoofer also.

Yes. HWID/UUID's + IP + Mac + Account/Email should be banned. For now VAC only limits Steam profile + Bans Game from Secured Servers. Which is pretty much as "soft" ban as it can get.

Could collecting that data require a new privacy policy update?

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Origineel geplaatst door spriteseer:

Origineel geplaatst door ツ Mistake ツ:

Hmm.. Try it: type "wmic path win32_computersystemproduct get uuid" in CMD write down your ID also serial using "wmic baseboard get product,Manufacturer,version,serialnumber", then see if using the freeware tools it changes. I highly doubt it.

I don't want to get too deeply into this because I don't want to condone piracy nor do I want to break the forum rules, but any HWID ban depends on information provided via an abstraction layer such as an API (as does the WMIC command). This means it is trivial to intercept and change any unique identifiers being provided. Even if the program tries to bypass the API and request the required data from a device driver (VxD), a spoof driver could be coded to feed back false information. Having said that, such a low level (driver) 'solution' is risky for various performance and security related reasons.

Actually a driver would be a .sys; VxD was for the unusual platform that Windows 95/98/Me used, and even the later generations started using Windows .sys drivers.