Fingolfin 26 ENE 2021 a las 7:49 a. m.
Why there is no "mixed" review option?
Many times there are good things but not enough to give a positive review and bad things but not enough to give a negative review. I also see lots of "Thats a negative review although I love this game but this and that makes it kinda a bit tedious" such reviews. If steam can give us a "mixed" option it would be great. Should not be that hard?
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FOXDUDE69 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:07 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Shogun Blade:
Do your reviews of Fallout 3 and Destiny 2 accurately reflect the game and gives pros and cons of those games or do they represent your personal gripes?

The things you are misrepresenting as personal gripes are things like performance, in the case of Fallout 3, and content/business model, in the case of Destiny 2. These things affect gameplay and therefor impact the user experience. Look up Destiny 2 on Steam Charts and witness yourself how the playerbase has been steadily declining. Better yet, Look at the Overwhelmingly Negative score that Beyond Light has. These are not gripes, they are legitimate complaints, and they don't stop being that just because you disagree or are trying to win and online argument.

A personal gripe would me giving a game a 1 star because one developer wrote racist tweets, like in the case of Mass Effect Andromeda. That would be a gripe.


Publicado originalmente por Shogun Blade:
If you take into consideration that games are skewed by bias due to personal preference then a numerical system reflects that bias far more than a simple yes or no, "Is it worth a buy" system which is what the current system is. A numerical system does not answer a question it instead places a score and reflects the reviewers bias.

Even if you have a personal preference towards a specific genre or even a franchise, that still doesn't stop you from rating games in that genre according to their quality. For example, fans of the Dark Souls trilogy, often rate Dark Souls 2 as the weakest of the trilogy. Their love for the franchise or the Souls Genre didn't stop them from criticizing the game.

It also works the other way, I had no previous experience with the Call of Juarez series but I'd give Gunslinger a solid 4 out of 5 Stars.
cinedine 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:17 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Look up Destiny 2 on Steam Charts and witness yourself how the playerbase has been steadily declining.

Yeah, uhm ... that's normal.
FOXDUDE69 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:21 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Look up Destiny 2 on Steam Charts and witness yourself how the playerbase has been steadily declining.

Yeah, uhm ... that's normal.

And I guess you'd also argue that the changes in the climate we've been witnessing are not man made.
cinedine 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:36 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

Yeah, uhm ... that's normal.

And I guess you'd also argue that the changes in the climate we've been witnessing are not man made.

Any game will see a decline over the years. The game has been stable around the 100k mark. A decline in playerbase after a huge Steam sale and the holiday swat of releases is normal. Destiny 2 has retained a third of its starting peak. Which is not too bad for a popular game. And we are still talking about 80k. Which is twenty-fold the numbers of some others with a loyal fan base.

You can see it perfectly well in other MMOs: it will peak with the release of a new expansion (just like D2 did) and smaller peaks with each major patch. But unless the game got a huge popularity spike, it will bleed players in-between and the over-all numbers will somewhat stabilize over the year.

What do you think this game's player numbers tell?
https://steamcharts.com/app/238960#All
Última edición por cinedine; 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:37 a. m.
Start_Running 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:54 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:
Also:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
We'cve seen what a 5 star system looks like.. Its called meta critic.
Metacritic uses a 100-point system, not a 5-star system.

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Also telling that while games will promiote their steam rating and meta critic rating.
And based on this reasoning, Metacritic's 100-point system is as useful as Steam's 2-point system, contradicting your repeated arguments that Steam's 2-point system is superior.
By your own logic a 100 point system is better than a 5 point because you know,, more points alllow for finer representation right.

And yeah Metacritic is a thing still but most gamers I know, consider that more of a meme tthan anything else. Because you know like half the spectrum they offer goes unused for the most part.

Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

Yeah, uhm ... that's normal.

And I guess you'd also argue that the changes in the climate we've been witnessing are not man made.
Reed Richards commends that stretch.
Seriously. Do you think players will just keep grinding away at an MMO when they'd blown through all the content. . Sure some will but most will move on. because you know, new games to play.
FOXDUDE69 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:55 a. m. 
Cinedine, buddy.

This wasn't a normal dip caused by player burnout.
The community themselves will tell you exactly why they dropped the game if you look at the Beyond Light reviews.
Última edición por FOXDUDE69; 4 FEB 2021 a las 4:56 a. m.
cinedine 4 FEB 2021 a las 5:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Cinedine, buddy.

This wasn't a normal dip caused by player burnout.
The community themselves will tell you exactly why they dropped the game if you look at the Beyond Light reviews.

You have the data right in front of you. :lunar2019deadpanpig:
the game surged shortly before release of the expansion and after relase it returned back right to where it was before. The active player base didn't change. People who didn't played the game any longer continued to no longer play the game.

And I am not your buddy. Don't even start that ♥♥♥♥.
Nx Machina 4 FEB 2021 a las 5:34 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
A personal gripe would me giving a game a 1 star because one developer wrote racist tweets, like in the case of Mass Effect Andromeda. That would be a gripe.

A personal gripe is your review for Destiny 2:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Foxdude69/recommended/1085660/

A personal gripe is your review of Fallout 3:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Foxdude69/recommended/22370/


And yet here you are lauding the virtues of a 5 star system.

Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
Even if you have a personal preference towards a specific genre or even a franchise, that still doesn't stop you from rating games in that genre according to their quality. For example, fans of the Dark Souls trilogy, often rate Dark Souls 2 as the weakest of the trilogy. Their love for the franchise or the Souls Genre didn't stop them from criticizing the game.

It also works the other way, I had no previous experience with the Call of Juarez series but I'd give Gunslinger a solid 4 out of 5 Stars.

And yet Dark Souls 2 was seen as a good game with the inclusion of the dlc's and has 33,225 positive reviews on Steam. A game can be redeemed and enjoyed by others which goes back to personal preference.

But your personal gripe with Fallout 3 when it has 23,251 positive reviews on Steam gives you a blindspot especially when you recommend the GOG version as the holy grail but you did give me what I wanted, an acknowledgement is it not perfect on GOG.

Publicado originalmente por Foxdude:
I took a real long look at the GOG reviews in the past and it's true, some users still have problems on GOG,
Última edición por Nx Machina; 4 FEB 2021 a las 6:05 a. m.
FOXDUDE69 4 FEB 2021 a las 6:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
The active player base didn't change.

Yes, it did. And it continues to dip as even the hardcore fans are having a hard time defending the lack of content in Destiny 2.
Start_Running 4 FEB 2021 a las 6:39 a. m. 
ITs not even that he GoG rating for Fallout 3 is that far off from Mettacritics or steam. TThey're all within a 10% range.
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:
Also:

Metacritic uses a 100-point system, not a 5-star system.

And based on this reasoning, Metacritic's 100-point system is as useful as Steam's 2-point system, contradicting your repeated arguments that Steam's 2-point system is superior.
By your own logic a 100 point system is better than a 5 point because you know,, more points alllow for finer representation right.
I definitely wouldn't mind a 100 point system on Steam, though it's easiest for them to go for a 3 point system given the existing infrastructure.

Also, I've said before that beyond about 5 points, it's hard to meaningfully differentiate between the different responses such that they are consistent between people. But a 3 point scale has no such problem.
Start_Running 4 FEB 2021 a las 7:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
By your own logic a 100 point system is better than a 5 point because you know,, more points alllow for finer representation right.
I definitely wouldn't mind a 100 point system on Steam, though it's easiest for them to go for a 3 point system given the existing infrastructure.
There'd actully be little tto no difference. But as has been illustrated. The 100point system is not very effective.. You could shave 50 points off that system and no one would notice.

Also, I've said before that beyond about 5 points, it's hard to meaningfully differentiate between the different responses such that they are consistent between people. But a 3 point scale has no such problem.
And you've at the same time failed to make any meaningfl distinction between any 2 neighboring points on the 5-point scale.

The current system has two very clear and distinct points that map perfectly to the nuumber of possible action states. also nothing in the systtem stops you from feeling mixed or neuutral while accrately answering the question.
Última edición por Start_Running; 4 FEB 2021 a las 7:14 a. m.
Nx Machina 4 FEB 2021 a las 7:19 a. m. 
On Steam the reviewer is answering a simple question - "Is it WORTH a buy." which is covered by the current system - Recommended, not recommended, Yes or No.
Última edición por Nx Machina; 4 FEB 2021 a las 7:30 a. m.
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:
I definitely wouldn't mind a 100 point system on Steam, though it's easiest for them to go for a 3 point system given the existing infrastructure.
There'd actully be little tto no difference. But as has been illustrated. The 100point system is not very effective.. You could shave 50 points off that system and no one would notice.
"Little to no difference" in what regard? Because people would definitely notice the difference.

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Also, I've said before that beyond about 5 points, it's hard to meaningfully differentiate between the different responses such that they are consistent between people. But a 3 point scale has no such problem.
And you've at the same time failed to make any meaningfl distinction between any 2 neighboring points on the 5-point scale.
Actually they're quite obvious if you think about them:

top score: "games I really like"/"favorites"
above-middle score: "games I like, but not enough for them to be favorites"
middle score: "meh"
below-middle score: "games I dislike, but not enough to absolutely hate them"
bottom score: "games I hate"

It's quite simple, honestly.

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
The current system has two very clear and distinct points that map perfectly to the nuumber of possible action states.
As has been pointed out before, there are more than two possible action states; you only bin them into two categories and then try to argue it's self-evident.
FOXDUDE69 4 FEB 2021 a las 7:22 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
ITs not even that he GoG rating for Fallout 3 is that far off from Mettacritics or steam. TThey're all within a 10% range.

Which might be an indication that the Steam rating is inflated, since the GOG version works out of the box for the vast majority of users and the same cannot be said of the steam version.

But we'll never know for sure as long as Steam keeps using this system. Remember a 70% approval rating is on Steam is not the same as a 7/10 average score.
You cannot equate the data gathered from a binary rating system to one gathered from a 5 or 10 point scale.
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