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I know, i wasn't talking about the user tag system being pointless in itself, just the way that it works in those regards when it comes to reporting a user applied tag.
It could be a visual bug or it could just be intended to work like that, and if it's the latter then that makes it pointless having a report tag feature if it's gonna show up as it does when you flag a tag.
Searching for games on steam is a joke. But what do I know? Apparently Kingdom Come Deliverance is similar to shooting games and political 2D games.
Every tag is abused and applied to games that shouldn't have them.
No, it definitely is buggy and there are lots of flaws with the way the current system works.
Single player and limited co-op Games such as Sword Art Online should never be tagged with the MMORPG tag, MMO tag nor the Nudity tag.
Games such as Puzzle games should not have the FPS tag nor MMO tag nor MMORPG tag, let alone 3rd person shooter etc when the games doesn't have any of said features..
There are people out there who actively abuse it, hell even groups who abuses the system, why? They do it for the fun of it to feel good about themselves for messing up the entire search feature.
There are tags that apply across different main genres but you have to remember that the majority of applied tags are user applied aka people (and toxic groups) apply them manually to wrongfully manipulate the search feature.
This has been an issue since they introduced it.
What i was talking about as my main point was the fact that when you click the + icon to report a tag, it looks like it doesn't get reported and that instead, it applies the tag as if you clicked on the icon for adding it yourself, and this shows because the tag you wanted to report is now highlighted on the store page.
I don't really get the handful of people who seem to defend the user tag system and swear it works properly. All the while we have 2D games with 3D tag, tags that are not point and click games in the point and click category, and etc. People who are drawn to medieval RPGs are not going to look at a 2D animal political game as anywhere close to it. You know the only common ground those two games have is that you can argue KCD has political elements. It certantly does in some aspects, but here lays the problem, the system is not working when polar oposites are handled as "similar". It becomes similar in the most vague and irrelevant way possible.
People who search for point and click, are searching for a very particular type of game, they are not looking for resource management games. Point and click genre holds games like The Longest Journey or Syberia.
I don't think you understand that just because a game has elements of something, doesn't mean it belongs in a certain category, because doing this leads to the current issue we have which is that using the search functions to find games doesn't work adequately. That's literally what having genres is supposed to do for us. But it doesn't work when people think everything classifies as the vaguest of tags. User tags are being used to push games into categories they don't belong.
Personally I rarely encounter issues with it. The recommendations I get are for the vast majority logical ones, the ones that aren't I consider a fluke.
While some tags on games can be considered actually faulty (the mentioned nudity on a kids game, for example), those are easily reportable and handled. The issue stems more when it's the grey area where users A, B and C consider a tag to be wrong, while users D, E and F consider it fitting. You won't actually find a way to solve that, since many tags are subjective. Yes, even genres are subjective, as has been shown by various genre discussions over the years.
There is nothing logical about searching for a single player game + JRPG, and getting MMORPG and Nudity and FPS tags.
If you search for a specific game, then yes, it'll provide you with said specific game but the system is being abused far more than any developer ever did back before they added user tags.
The reason we get these issues is because USERS apply these tags. They apply these tags to games that have already had eg, Single player + JRPG tags added to them.
That's the whole point i mentioned earlier, that it is being abused by individuals and groups that only do it for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles.
They know all-too-well that if they apply nudity and mmorpg to a single player game such as for example any of the Sword Art Online titles, people will get a ton of search results with games that have nothing to do with what they searched for.
There is no 'broader genres', it's the user tags that governs our search results, and if a single player JRPG title has had muppets adding nudity + mmorpg to them, then we get everything that has both.
I see little wrong with that list, though I only checked the first 40 entries quickly.
Keep in mind that MMORPGs/multiplayer games in that list come up not because of user added tags, but because of features chosen by the game devs. Single Player is not something users can add, but only devs.
I do tag searches pretty often and the results I get are for the vast majority logical for me.
You kidding me? I do searches every single day and most of the time, none of the search results make any sense and they're based on USER ADDED TAGS.
MMORPG/Multiplayer games does show up BECAUSE of user added tags.. Good grief.
When you search for Single Player games, you shouldn't be getting MMORPG titles when you're searching through user tags. Likewise, you shouldn't be getting Single Player titles when searching for MMORPGs or MMOs.. That's the whole point of the feature and that is my bloody point.
What the developers add has no impact on the search result because what they add is not the same as user added tags, and even if it did, it would still be wrong to get MMO/MMORPG when searching for a single player JRPG and vice versa when searching for MMO/MMORPG. There's tons of proof i can give you but you'd probably try and shove that under the rug as well.
Try searching for 'mmorpg' and you'll get loads of single player or multiplayer co-op titles added into the search results. Mostly you'll get the right games but there are just far too many games that have had the user tag MMO and MMORPG added to them, and they will show up there as well, and those games are for the most part single player titles like Sword Art Online games.
Hell, i've even seen pure single games that have absolutely no nudity show up with nudity and mmorpg user tags when searching for puzzle games.
You think i'm the only one fed up with this system and the fact that idiots are abusing it to mess up people's search results? Just google it and look at all the reddit posts and other forum posts about it.
Your entire reply is proof enough that you don't really know what you're on about and definitely didn't read my original post properly before replying.
I'm also going to point out that users can also add Singleplayer as user tags.
You claim you do a lot of searches but you seem fairly ignorant to how it actually works and because of that, you're also blind to all of its flaws.
If you believe games that have user added tags such as MMORPG for games like Sword Art Online is a 'logical' thing, then you need to check out more games and learn a bit more about them before you start defending this horribly flawed system.
As I said before, at first developers only put in tags, that got changed because of USER complaints. Now users still complain. It doesn't matter what Valve will do in this matter, it will never find the middle ground.
Incorrect tags should get reported, making threads about them won't do a thing. Almost all the tags I reported that were incorrect, have been removed quite quickly.
What really is necessary is a better search system, so that a search can also exclude tags to refine the search better. That is something that has been asked for a while now.
You seem to be incapable of understanding that other people can have different experiences from yourself. I get logical results in tag searches and even in the recommendations in the discovery queue and other parts where tags are used as the basis. Not at one point have I denied that other users can have different experiences. As I said earlier, things often are subjective (as for example what tags fit a game), so neither your nor my experience are "the norm", since you will find enough users who fit either of our experiences.
I think the system has a good basis and needs work on the refinement department (and perhaps an umbrella system to define weight on tags (a difference between genre and mechanics, for example)), but does its job as it is. I certainly wouldn't trust developers/publishers to tag their games alone again.
Your hostility and baseless assumptions are unnecessary and to be honest quite childish.
That is why the system weighs it on the number of shared tags and the popularity of the games it can't entirely give every individual what they want and instead has to weigh the odds and go for what seems to suit most users
Calling me childish because i called you out on something is actually what defines childishness.
Funny that your reported tags that have been reported have been removed fast while mine hasn't, eh? That's a flat out lie right there. Tags are only removed once enough reports have been made, which is rather sad considering that games such as Sword Art Online and other similar single player games with co-op have had MMORPG or MMO tags added but never removed.
You seem incapable of understanding even simple logic. Logic to you, is what i consider illogical, because you clearly think that games such as Sword Art Online should have the MMORPG tag, right?
You clearly believe that there's this 'broader genre' that justifies it, right?
There is no broader genre. There's the main genre, then there's the sub-genre. Nothing more.
There's no reason why the MMORPG tag should apply to a game such as Sword Art Online titles, nor is there any reason as to why nudity and sexual content tags should apply to RTS games that have neither in them. But they do, because they are user applied tags. Tags that the users add, and as i've said, there are groups who do it just to mess up the search results for people who search for specific genres.
My hostility and baseless assumptions? I've not been hostile here, you on the other hand, are being extremely toxic. Your logic is flawed and because i called you out on it, you start attacking me with insults. Who's the actual child here?
You clearly haven't got much else to do with your time, other than trying to shut people's valid concerns and opinions down with your illogical way of thinking, since that's the entirety of your bloody post history. You're the very definition of a white knight.
The user tag and search feature is flawed and needs to be sorted out.
But that is not how the system works.
It uses user applied tags to bring up search results, and it doesn't matter what genre you're searching for. If you search for MMORPGs, it'll still show you games that aren't even MMORPGs simply because of said people applied the MMORPG tag to x amount of games that aren't MMORPGs, and that's what makes the current system unreliable. You can't trust any search you enter to show you only MMORPGs if you search for MMORPGs only.
When you've got groups of people on Steam, who collaborate and aim to upset the search feature by abusing the user tag feature just for kicks, then clearly it isn't working the way it should work.
It would be better to leave the tags in the hands of the developer and instead confront the developer to have them change a wrongfully applied tag.
I'll lock this up to prevent further arguing.