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1) Bold to you assume i played Killing Floor.
2) Let's assume i know Killing Floor and i took your challenge. Let's assume you are right, i can't prove which achievements you unlocked manually; you know what?
This would only be a sustain to my argument that the usage of SAM to unlock achievements can be done in a smart way, so someone not partecipating in the achievement community that has their achievements hidden is not a problem and we can have this options without harming anyone.
3)Let's assume i know Killing Floor and i took your challenge. Let's assume you are wrong, and i could identify those achievements. This will only prove that you didn't unlocked them in a smart way, nothing more. This isn't enough to prove that Sam couldn't be used in a way that is not trackable by other users.
Little synthesis of the thread:
-I want more privacy options, because i want to share my games but not my achievements and playtime. Why i want to use these privacy options is my business, but i give them anyway (and why not, even badges and other options are welcomed).
-Someone is arguing that i want this because i use SAM.
-I argue that you can use SAM in a smart way without hiding your achievements and hurt the achievement community with the current system we have.--> the usage of SAM is not a valid counter argument to this privacy option because it will be used by people who don't care about sharing their achievements.
-Someone is arguing that nobody cares about other people achievements(you).
-By fact, so is not my opinion, there are people who care about other people's achievements and will go check them and some of them are posting in this same thread.
-I may have given a reason on why i want this privacy options, but only because i wanted to, because i'm not obliged on giving the reasons why i would use this, so you can't use them to deny my arguments. We already have privacy options, and we can use them for whatever silly reasons we have. I want them to be more flexible.
If you don't understand, because you clearly did not read the posts previous yours, i was arguing with people that cares and go check other people's achievements.
What the majority of people who argue against this don't get is that only because we unlock achievements, we aren't forced to care about them as they are mandatory,we unlock them wether we care or not, and we are not obliged to take part in any achievements community (and even unlock them the "intended way" if you want to stretch this).
Only because we unlock some badges, it doesn't mean we partake in any badge's collector community or we care about them, they are mandatory to reach certain Steam level , to have access to some other features.
I don't think you are dishonest, i just think you are very much confused about this discussion because you still don't wanna read it from start to finish, but feel free to continue, you are keeping the thread afloat.
I will hit the road backpack on tomorrow, so expect a reply in August if you want to continue this discussion or need more clarifications.
Cheers
Well, if you can't read properly we're done.
I never said YOU played Killing Floor anywhere.
GO and read it again and get back to me.
If you continue to be intellectually dishonest, then we're done.
Your choice.
Sorry, how i am supposed to take on your challenge and check the validity of your Killing Floor's Achievements if i never played it?
Usually people check other's people achievements of common played games using the knowledge they gained by playing that game...
If you challenge me to check your killing floor achievements, you are assuming i played it, but as i already said this won't prove anything if either i pass the challenge or not.
I think you have enough forum experience to understand that there is no tangible prize to win here, so there is nothing wrong in admitting that sometimes you took some blunder.
Feel free to bring the opinions of other people to support your arguments, maybe i'm not speaking proper english, i don't know at this points.
You can look at ALL my achievements.
So please do so.
Ok, let's play this game...
Done, i have seen your Killing Floor Achievements
What i did conclude about your achievements? That i wasted 1 minute of my life as i don't even know what that game is about, because i never played it
It's like challenging someone on doing a calculus test they did not study for. Yes they can read the paper's exam, but they can't answer that without doing the course first.
Maybe i will make you understand now.
I checked your games, and i see Half Life 2, a game we both own and both we have perfected. So i can say something about it, because we both played it (first issue with your mandatory challenge required to argue with you)
At first glance it seems all legit, you did some of them in different order maybe using save files. What i can conclude? Nothing. You could have played a first run legit, and then unlocked some of the last ones missing playing another run, using save files, or/and some of them with SAM, because maybe you were too bored at that point, or you couldn't do it and wanted to be done with that game.
Time wasted on my part since i can't proof 100% you used or not SAM (without weird unattainable timestamps), so it is not a valid argument on not letting potential cheaters hide their achievements (useless claim since someone can already hide them).
Also you could have borrowed those save files from someone else so...
The problem is that achievements are a mandatory feature if a game has them.
It's like asking that all the joggers out there have to register their running time and enter this world leaderbord without their consent.
I think some people would be even glad to have the option to play a game without unlocking them (but then it would be like asking Valve & Devs to give the option to not track some data; eh good luck with that).
Feel free to discuss SAM, or cheating achievements, but it is just a bait and swich argument.
It seems it is related to the discussion, but it isn't. It happens a lot in math.
See you in August if you have some other reply
My claim I repeat was this - the OP's post is flawed because they CANNOT POSSIBLY tell what another person's achievements MEAN. Unless it's something extremely obvious, you cannot tell if they were cheated or anything. So by extension nobody can tell what THEIR achievments are either.
The conclusion is therefore that their weird scaremongering is FLAWED because even if people WERE interested in other people's achievements - a matter which NOBODY has demonstrated at all - they cannot tell anything from it.
Do you grasp that yet?
Now, the challenge is a means to demonstrate this.
I'm telling you up front that of those Killing Floor achievements I've earned, which you can freely look through and see the times and dates when earned too, TWO were unlocked manually via SAM. Cheated if you will, because the game bugged.
Unless you can point out to me which two they were, my point stands.
This is really basic logic.
There is no "playing this game". It is DEMONSTRABLE fact and logic. And logic I'm afreid is absolute - it applies to EVERYTHING and at all times.
Again, you seem to be misunderstanding at every turn, so if you don't understandm be honest and ASk. Don't jump straight to "oh YOU must be wrong" because that ain't how reality works.
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people who posted here, by the way; you can always argue with them and tell them what they have to think.
You know what, i'll give you one month: if you can convince all the people who care about other people achievements on steam to not care i'll let you win this argument and award you 7-internet-points
I NEVER said ONE or two or even three people don't check up. I said the very GENERAL nobody cares about them.
As those very quotes you linked said, they STILL don't care about them, as they only check that at best.
So well done.
Now, that evidence if you please. Where's the answer to my challenge now that I've explained it to you again?
And yet again, those pquotes you made are STILL subject to the point that althgouhg they may check you STILL CANNOT TELL if those achievments are correct.
That's the point
Quite arrogant to speak in the name of the GENERAL population of Steam.
I stayed in the game of your challenge, but i have to say very brutally, your challenge is senseless as i alredy explained why.
Your posts are full of bait and swich arguments, none are pertinent to the thread; maybe you can't see this because you are debating with too many people on the forum at the same time as i can see around, but that's not my problem, it's a You problem if you can't concentrate on one discussion to stay on topic because you are not interested in evolving a discussion, but only to win it.
Good things, have a nice evening
I haven't had the time to read all the new comments (since my previous post). But here are two observations:
(1) All the 'more or less serious' achievement hunters care about achievements (that's why they are called a hunter/huntress! :D). And this includes nearly all my friend list, for example. They work for the achievements so they won't understand how it would be fair if another person did the same achievement with one mouse-click (on the unlock achievement button). This is so simple, they are incomparable. (but let's be honest: Valve currently doesn't penalize the use of SAM.)
(2) You want privacy options to hide achievement-related information and game details. I completely understand your intention and reading your comments helped me to understand that you're actually a good person and want to use the privacy options in a positive way (and I always assumed the best earlier too). But you could also see in my previous comments that I was worrying about something else: How could other people use the same privacy options? This is something to think about.
And finally:
I think you misunderstand one thing. When people go to your profile and look at your achievements, 99% of them don't have bad intentions (especially if they are already your friends). They don't want to hurt/offend you (otherwise they are not friends by def.. :( ). I tried to explain this in my previous comment(s):
If someone looks at the achievements and other gaming details, they mostly do it to understand if there are common interests. Common games, etc. Do you think it is a bad thing to share this information with a possible friend? More details may even make a Steam profile more attractive (in my eyes, this is 100% true.). I'm not only talking about steam achievements but about all the gaming details too. They help people to understand what kind of player you are.
On the other hand, I think it's terrible if someone uses any piece of information in a bad way, for example:
- 3rd party websites which collect (achievement and other) information without permission. Sometimes they even have screenshots about our profiles.
- When someone uses the information for "Name & shame" purposes. "X cheated in Y game! What a terrible player! Post it on Z1 and Z2 websites! Get her/him banned! Report!" ...
- Stalking purposes, adding on alternative accounts, etc.
- Impersonation.
But the cases above are rule violations, even in the present. Only the 3rd party websites are painful/difficult to stop from collecting information. For example, I could ask steam ID (who I've never asked to put my profile onto their website) to delete my profile, they will never do it.
So, all in all, I just want to say, OP, don't worry so much about your achievement information. :) People are very unlikely to use that information in a negative way. I think, the positive/favorable consequences are more likely to happen. For example, finding a person who plays the same games or needs the same achievements. A few weeks ago, I became friends with a girl gamer from Russia for achievement hunting purposes. We did the entire game together (100%), and later we realized there are a lot more things in common. I would've never added her if I hadn't noticed she needed the same achievements. This is an example for you. There is no stalking here and no bad uses, just clean play. And there are so many nice gamers too.
Lady Noire a.k.a. Lady Black Heart
It is incredibly disrespectful.
I personally would like the ability to hide game played time from myself and others but still have my achievements appear in the activity feed, currently blocking playtime only blocks it from friends and also blocks your activity feed. I would also like to use the screenshot showcase for friends only screenshots.
I also think the implementation of hiding friends list is poor because it too blocks other things, these settings block more than they say they do and it should say this at least in the setting.
Now if there is some privacy loophole that prevents things or forces other information to be blocked, share that information.Don't just argue about whys.
NOT MY CLAIM - so I don't have to define general - that's YOUR burden of proof.
Roasted emote? Lol, irony....
more privacy options
Funny story I made a thread for a yakuza kiwami to talk about how I thought the story was bad and some dude said I "must have pirated the games" cause I had 0 hours and 0 achievements. Yet his proof was going into my profile and looking at my games library to see the info for those games. Best part was how game threads show if you own it or not with a little icon next to the name
So yes people do stalk others profiles for those in disbelief lmao. Though I would agree that the majority do not care. Still though we do need more privacy options at the end of the day.