How to stop targeted harassment

[Psycha]

It's easy, just remove the "view post history" for normal steam users and leave it for moderation staff.

I easily just do something like this to harass someone: Go to their picture, hit drop down and view post history THEN I find some random post that makes them look bad and I comment or quote it in another thread.

Being able to view someones post history creates so much room in a thread to harass said person. Everyone reacts differently in different ways in different games. I can comment with alot of emotion in say a shooter genre discussion THEN I can react in a calmer way in a city builder genre discussion..

Because currently I believe I'm being harassed by a user who is doing exactly what I just described above and he is in the right to do so because he is commenting according to the game thread rules and not directly naming or shaming me or directly being toxic. It's a grey area no one cares about it seems.

[Psycha]

引用自 Kethriss：

引用自 PsychaChi：

I said "most of them" I got emotional with you because I have a history with you. So no I wasn't in the right.

"History?" I don't even know who you are.

We've had arguments in FF14 discussion before months ago when I saw you comment on my post today it all came rushing back to me. I'm sorry.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Kethriss：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

I suggest reading what has been said. It would be very easy to use a search engine for the same results, as they are public forums and indexed by such search engines.

Yes, but again you VASTLY underestimate the convenience factor. It won't stop everything, but it will stop a significant amount of issues because most people lose interest when they have to do more than simply click a button in-client. Or, as many many many people have suggested over Steam's history, the ability to request a forum post purge. I personally know somebody who had a pretty egregious stalker situation and one of the ways they found several accounts of this person was through old steam forum post history. In situations like that, or even just somebody not being proud of how they acted when they made their steam account during their edgy highschool phase, the ability to request a support member to wipe a person's post history would be nice. Many forums offer this.

I'm just looking at this from a harm-reduction standpoint, giving users more tools is never a bad thing IMO. There will never be a fool-proof solution obviously but creating hoops for people to jump through and giving people options at least helps.

But yes, I agree, people need to be more willing to use the tools already given instead of looking for a nuclear option for every little thing.

Do you have proof of that?

If you don't, then all we can do is go by that it can be done.

What about what help it proves? Are you taking that into account as well?

What about what harm it would cause?

As for removing history, you can always ask support if they can do so. Keep in mind that the say "One on the internet, forever on the internet" is true as there will always be ways to still find it.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

[If going to an outside site, “learning Google” and constructing a search string with the options you want is your idea of “just as easily” then we have very different ideas of that term.

Yes, some people will still make the effort. But some won’t. Features can have value even if they don’t magically totally eliminate an issue.

It took me 30 seconds to find how to specify the search results for all three points, so yes, just as easy.

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

Again, the feature can have value without "stopping harassment". I mean the common advice is "block, report and move on". But neither the block nor the report features wholly stop harassment either (nor "moving on", but not a feature of course). They just do a bit to reduce it. That's fine, that's normal.

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

If going to an outside site, “learning Google” and constructing a search string with the options you want is your idea of “just as easily” then we have very different ideas of that term.

Yes, some people will still make the effort. But some won’t. Features can have value even if they don’t magically totally eliminate an issue.

Don't need google, use steam search - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?q=PsychaChi

There is always someone who suggests this, but it always seems like they've never actually tried it.

The display name field isn't searched. That link quite specifically doesn't give a list of the user's posts.

It gives a list of posts where they've been mentioned or quoted. In many cases, this search will return literally zero posts by the user you put in.

引用自 PsychaChi：

Chances are low seeing as a forum mod basically disagrees with it.

Don't worry about that. Forum mods have disagreed with things that went on to be implemented later.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

It took me 30 seconds to find how to specify the search results for all three points, so yes, just as easy.

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

And are those SHort attention spanners the ones doing the targgeted harassing?
Or are the harassers the more spiteful kind?

Look Posts are a matter of public record. If you worry about what they'll find in your post history then maybe the eal issue is what has been posted.

I mean when a simple google/yahoo/bing/DuckDuckGO search will yield the same effect Kinda doesn't make sense now does it?

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

And are those SHort attention spanners the ones doing the targgeted harassing?
Or are the harassers the more spiteful kind?

My support for this feature is not specific to its effects on the most dedicated subset of awful people. Fences and locks won't stop the most dedicated burglar either, but they still have value. Reducing harassment by the least dedicated of that group is a good thing.

There's also the added benefit of limiting the needless devolution of threads away from discussion of a suggestion or a system into personal criticisms by the regular dirt-diggers.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Start_Running：

And are those SHort attention spanners the ones doing the targgeted harassing?
Or are the harassers the more spiteful kind?

My support for this feature is not specific to its effects on the most dedicated subset of awful people. Fences and locks won't stop the most dedicated burglar either, but they still have value. Reducing harassment by the least dedicated of that group is a good thing.

There's also the added benefit of limiting the needless devolution of threads away from discussion of a suggestion or a system into personal criticisms by the regular dirt-diggers.

"dirt diggers". This just sounds more and more like people not wanting to see consequences for past behavior.

[76561198407601200]

Very unlikely this would happen.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Damp Wizard Sleeve：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

My support for this feature is not specific to its effects on the most dedicated subset of awful people. Fences and locks won't stop the most dedicated burglar either, but they still have value. Reducing harassment by the least dedicated of that group is a good thing.

There's also the added benefit of limiting the needless devolution of threads away from discussion of a suggestion or a system into personal criticisms by the regular dirt-diggers.

"dirt diggers". This just sounds more and more like people not wanting to see consequences for past behavior.

This seems to be the case since unsurprisingly there are some that do not like when their post history stands as a record of their conduct and actions.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

It took me 30 seconds to find how to specify the search results for all three points, so yes, just as easy.

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

Again, the feature can have value without "stopping harassment". I mean the common advice is "block, report and move on". But neither the block nor the report features wholly stop harassment either (nor "moving on", but not a feature of course). They just do a bit to reduce it. That's fine, that's normal.

引用自 brian9824：

Don't need google, use steam search - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?q=PsychaChi

There is always someone who suggests this, but it always seems like they've never actually tried it.

The display name field isn't searched. That link quite specifically doesn't give a list of the user's posts.

It gives a list of posts where they've been mentioned or quoted. In many cases, this search will return literally zero posts by the user you put in.

引用自 PsychaChi：

Chances are low seeing as a forum mod basically disagrees with it.

Don't worry about that. Forum mods have disagreed with things that went on to be implemented later.

Suggest you actually bother clicking the link where you will see 133 pages of posts from the OP...

I see hundreds of posts he's posted in, and it shows you in the search if it's his post or just a quote of someone saying his name

Yes if someone names him and he didn't post in that thread it would be a false positive, but it's not exactly common to name-drop people who haven't posted in a thread.....

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

It took me 30 seconds to find how to specify the search results for all three points, so yes, just as easy.

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

Again, the feature can have value without "stopping harassment". I mean the common advice is "block, report and move on". But neither the block nor the report features wholly stop harassment either (nor "moving on", but not a feature of course). They just do a bit to reduce it. That's fine, that's normal.

And I am guessing you are?

If they lack such an attention span, then they wouldn't be harassing someone to begin with AND the idea of block and ignore would work many times better then removing history from the public.

You also fail to see the other aspects of having said history removed. Try looking at all aspects and the entire picture.

Not every drop in a bucket is worth it, when the handful drips through your fingers on the way to the bucket.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Damp Wizard Sleeve：

"dirt diggers". This just sounds more and more like people not wanting to see consequences for past behavior.

Nah, I've nothing in my posts you can dig up that I'm afraid of consequences for. I've just seen far too many discussions which should be about Steam features or suggestions instead get derailed into people finding ways to find fault with individuals.

引用自 brian9824：

Suggest you actually bother clicking the link where you will see 133 pages of posts from the OP...

I see hundreds of posts he's posted in, and it shows you in the search if it's his post or just a quote of someone saying his name

Yes if someone names him and he didn't post in that thread it would be a false positive, but it's not exactly common to name-drop people who haven't posted in a thread.....

I did click the link. And then I clicked through to posts that the search returned. Those posts are by other people quoting the user in question. Because the username field is not searched.

I mean you can compare the numbers yourself. PsychaChi has 1437 posts. That search returned 381 results. That's a bit over a one-quarter hit rate in this instance, which would be bad even if they were PsychaChi's posts. But they're not even PsychaChi's posts! They are other people's posts quoting PsychaChi.

It's not direct, and it's not comprehensive. It's not an adequate replacement method. If "a list of threads where this user has been mentioned or quoted" is what someone is after, then great! But that's not the same as "the post history of this user".

[Mikoto]

Seeing people fight so hard in favor of this really makes me want to dig into their posting history to see what they were saying befo- oh...oh god...what the hell...

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

You spend your free time working, you aren't representative of the behaviour or expertise of the Steam forum troll population. Thirty seconds is longer than the attention span of many of the aggressive kids around here.

Again, the feature can have value without "stopping harassment". I mean the common advice is "block, report and move on". But neither the block nor the report features wholly stop harassment either (nor "moving on", but not a feature of course). They just do a bit to reduce it. That's fine, that's normal.

And I am guessing you are?

No, why would I be? I'm not using myself as an example.

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

If they lack such an attention span, then they wouldn't be harassing someone to begin with

That will be true for some, yes, but not all. This is why we have locks on our doors even though they can be broken. You put obstacles in the way, you reduce the number of people who bother to cross them.

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

You also fail to see the other aspects of having said history removed. Try looking at all aspects and the entire picture.

Don't insult me. Disagreement with you is not any kind of failure. There are no negative effects of letting people hide their post history.

[Mikoto]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

You also fail to see the other aspects of having said history removed. Try looking at all aspects and the entire picture.

Don't insult me. Disagreement with you is not any kind of failure. There are no negative effects of letting people hide their post history.

He literally didn't insult you.

Pro-tip: if you are going to try to gaslight someone in a forum in this manner, make sure that you are smart enough to know what an insult is.

[Walach]

Not wanting to be a donkey but what would be the easiest solution to your problem?

What I do if I get angry about something on the internet. For example, if someone writes something I want to answer but shouldn't on a forum then I write an answer but never click "post". That way I get to be angry but no one will ever see what I've done! >: 3