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That's the catch of being a parent/guardian. Yo're responsible for tthe litttle spawn and al their actions.. When a kid throws a stone and breaks a window.. its the parents that get the bill.
That's not actually the reason for the policy. SO it should not be considered as a a substitute for acrtual parentting.
And this is why you are reminded that your account is your responsibility. Anything done through the account will be legally considered to be done by the owner of the account, unless i can be sufficiently argued otherwise (such as if there is 'convincing' evidence that the account was hijaked).
SHaring isn't against the terms heck this is why there are things like parental controls on accounts. Selling or trading accouunts results in termination because unless specifically stated the parties of a contract may not be changed without the consent of all parties involved. Essentially. Once you change the terms of a contract (like the parties) the rpre-existing contract is rendered null and void hence termination. Unless the other party decides to raify the change and continue the terms of the contract,. WHich usually requires clarifications, etc, etc that really is not worth the time for most companies ergo, its just faster to terminate the account.
Basic Contract Law.
Yeah, getting databases of two different organizations to talk to each other...is not an easy matter.
And this comes at NO cost right?
Entirely Free?
Remember that this all boils down to:
"Is this worth it?"
Yet still it is strong enough which is exactly what I wanted to point out. The only relevant part for the current topic is age verification which is perfectly delivered with the named method.
Who said anything about database commuications? It is literally a basic conversation like this:
Customer: Let me see that page
Steam / Valve: Are you old enough?
Customer: Sure here is my papers
Steam / Valve: Is that actually them?
German Postal Service: Yes / No
=> Steam / Valve redirects you respectively.
No databases communicate at all. The only time some database is involved is at the end of the German Postal Service to compare the data delivered by Valve handed out by you but that would not be any sort of business of Valve.
Because it seems you keep trying to ignore it.
You mean assuming that Valve makes decions the same way just about every other successful multi-billion dollar business does? Yeah that's about as much as an assumption as 'living things need food'.
Sitting on your ass and posting pointless forum threads as opposed to emailing your government officials is not really going to get much done is it?
Valve is generally going toa ct in the manner that complies with the laws presented and minimizise cost/loss. And as I have pointed ou. Not selling those particular games in your region...kinda does a lot to fit those criteria. Especially when your region gets factored in with the big global picture.
Your government officials however, they are alot easier to influence.
And if little ol me can bring up such problematic questions and alternatives o your suggestions... then the fine people at Vallve likely can think of quite a few more. AFter all.. They can SEE the numbers. They know the costs of these actions you suggest.
So it all boils down to that questions: "Is it worth it?"
You reallly want to base your hopes on tha dice roll? Because I can guarantee you and your peers will be disappointed to learn how small you are in the grand scheme of tthings.
Bu, as I said, your local officials yeah, they're more likely to give a damn what wuith votes being so very important and all. Buty hey I get itm, actual action means getting off one's rump and standing by one's principles, even at a detriment to one's self.
Granted A group of people out in the street with "We Want Porn Games" signs is probably not a group most people would gladly join in...I mean, even Furries would probably think twice about that
For the record:
US law does not matter for the relationship between German users and Valve/Steam with regards to age verification or restriction.
Of course it is possible that Steam does not implement age verification for users in Germany because they want to avoid costs involved with that.
The purpose of this thread is to ask them to do it and present ways and solutions to do it that inmvolve as little effort and costs as possible.
It is also the purpose of this thread to remind Valve that other companies, big and small (Sony's Playstation network, Activision Blizzard for account restoration) already have implemented age verification for users in Germany.
It can't be that expensive and that difficult when other corporations did the same thing before.
Thank you and game on.
Translation, anyone who disagrees with me is spam because I don't like what they have to say.....
Sorry, but pointing out that valve removing adult games from Germany because its an incredibly tiny amount of sales for them isn't spam just because you don't like the answer....
Sometimes the best solution isn't to implement a solution as its often not cost effective to try to capture every possible customer you can. Often its far more cost effective to focus on the majority of your customers.
Hate to break it to you but people can disagree with your suggestion and say it might not be smart to do so, that doesnt make it spam...
"Is verifying that any given german is ineed legally allowed to purchase the game worth the time and cost?"
Hence why the games are blocked in tthe german legal jurisdiction and not others.
If it's cheaper to just "not sell the games"...why sell them?
There was no need to ask them. If it is, they will do it regardless, and if it isn't nothuing you say will change it. And let's be frank. The folks at Valve are more aware of the options available, and the costs associated with each than you are
That's like saying. ":Other people tatoo their eyeballs so you should too."
Government officials don't give a damn here. Most of them are appointed by the parties you vote for. That's right, in important elections you can only vote for parties.
As for the "pr0hn games":
Valve is the company who explicitely offers them in their store, after making a big announcement about the decision.
Nonsensical to imply that they suddenly are afraid of their own business they told everyone and their mother about.
However, this isn't about only those games, since implementing an age verification system would also allow users in Germany to buy games that have been banned in Germany on Steam from the beginning, but can be legally bought by adults.
In the first post I adressed that German users wanted such a system for many years. Back then there were no 33rotic games on Steam, it was about games with gore and certain political symbols.
Again, any adult is allowed to buy these games (only a tiny number are actually banned by law for everyone).
So no, this isn't only about "those" games.
What you keep ignoring is that what German users WANT doesn't matter.
What matters to Valve as a company is whether its worth their time to take the steps to make that possible when in all actuality your talking about less then .1% of valve's sales worldwide.
Steam did a lot of stuff for China for instance because the market share there was huge. For Germany, for the games involved its a miniscule portion of the market share.
I mean heck, many games and products don't even cater to left handed people even though about 10% of the world is left handed.
Also valve isn't afraid, nor did they make a big stink about it. Valve has always complied with regional restrictions and adult games aren't available in other markets far bigger then Germany.
You are trying to make it seem like Valve has some sort of obligation to provide that content to you when they don't. They are a store and a business and its normal for businesses to not offer content in regions where it would be problematic.
It's always the same people here in the club of naysayers.
I get their points, but their notorious arguing is remarkable. Some people play games, others watch Netflix and then a few others like to spend their whole time in the steam forums. Maybe that makes them feel important?
Use your numbers to strong armone party or the other into doing what ye want.
Last I checked Germany wasn't a Dictatorship, Monarchy, nor a Theocracy.
Yes. Burt at the same time that offer has been done within the stricture of the various regional laws.
No. they have just said that at this time the offer of those games is not allowed by the current laws of Germany within parameters that Valve deems worthwhile.
Or simply put. At the moment it is more profitable for Vallve to just not sell those games in your region.
Yeah but such implementations take time and money. Are yal really worth it? As yoursef that question from the perspective of an unbiased external party.
So what you're saying is that Steam long ago deemed it not worth the bother for games that account for a larger percentage of their library and revenue stream. I mean granted in those scenarios devs just simply changed colours, changed animations, or changes a few textures. Anyone remember "Soul-Patch Hitler"?
No but this is abouty whwther or not it's worth Vallve's time and money.
Which by your own information, it probably isn't.
Or the green blood of zombies, or changing swatsika's, etc.
Heck as I already posted this is old news, they started doing this back in January apparently and its just escalated to include more games instead of select games.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/611790/discussions/2/1738887849007064049/?ctp=2#c1738888024500052557
Oh, I thought the comment was unmissably dripping with sarcasm.
What do you think these 20-30 % Valve takes covers?