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redsimonDE 22 DIC 2020 a las 9:24 a. m.
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It is enough, age verification system now for German users
Today Steam dropped a nuke for users living in Germany:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/ki12if/steam_now_regionblocks_all_adultonly_games_in/

In short, Steam SILENTLY (no notification was given) banned all games that included full n00dity or intense 3rotic interaction (sorry for describing it like this to avoid censorship) for German users.
Steam implemented this silent ban obviously to avoid backlash and criticism, as is common for internet corporations unfortunately.

For frakks sake Valve, implement a proper age verification system already!

German users have demanded this for years and years. We have spoken with our wallets to support Steam and were hit with censorship after censorship.

This censorship may be due to German laws, but it only needs to prevent minors from accessing these games, not everyone.

It's not like the German video game market is small, you made a lot of revenue from Germany for years and years, and continue to do so.

Stop treating your German customers like dirt.
I'm an adult, I am allowed to buy these games, but you are to lazy to add a feature to your store even though there's a good amount of money in for you as an incentive.

In fact, I am willing to pay a premium to access everything that's not illegal in Germany (that's almost everything if you're an adult). I'm sure many other German users would too.

It is time Valve made a proper statement about this and promised to add an age verification system to the Steam client.

Technically Steam isn't allowed to sell ANY age restricted game for the age brackets of 16+ or 18+ in Germany without age verification.

These age groups of the German rating system for games ALSO need to be verified.
But they are still on sale without necessary age verification.

Apparently German authorities and courts have not applied any pressure with regards to that. Yet.

Link to the discussion in German in German discussions forum:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/24/3004429475616252303/
Última edición por redsimonDE; 23 DIC 2020 a las 4:07 a. m.
Publicado originalmente por MurxusMaximus:
Just as a note what suffices in Germany as age verification:

Cigarette Vending machines have a slot for either a banking card/identity card and can successfully (as in legally sufficient) check the age. Completely *offline* - no access to some 'secure government database' or whatever you think is necessary needed.
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CatraGirl 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:44 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
Publicado originalmente por brian9824:
If it's not actually an adult game then that would kill the theory and what is being claimed on reddit. So if it's misrated then it's back to the drawing board.

Seriously, can someone try to hammer it into this thick skull that there is no freaking "adult only" in Germany.

No, he's blocked all of us who tried to explain to him that the German system does not work like the US one. xD

Anyway, the most infuriating part about this situation is how Valve aren't even saying anything about it. They just silently put it into place and tried to bury it under the Christmas sale. That's really pathetic on their part tbh, couldn't even be bothered to put out the usual generic statement.
Mad Scientist 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:46 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Anyway, the most infuriating part about this situation is how Valve aren't even saying anything about it.
So? They don't have to say anything about anything, they don't even tell users when a Steam Sale is, so why would you expect anything on this?

Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
They just silently put it into place and tried to bury it under the Christmas sale.
Except the sale happens every single year and anything aside from that like policy changes, blocks etc are in response usually to a time frame already determined before this sale. That's entirely unrelated and a wild accusation.


Brian9824 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:50 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr. Gentlebot:
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Anyway, the most infuriating part about this situation is how Valve aren't even saying anything about it.
So? They don't have to say anything about anything, they don't even tell users when a Steam Sale is, so why would you expect anything on this?

Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
They just silently put it into place and tried to bury it under the Christmas sale.
Except the sale happens every single year and anything aside from that like policy changes, blocks etc are in response usually to a time frame already determined before this sale. That's entirely unrelated and a wild accusation.

Eh even if valve said something people would just say they were wrong like when valve finally released a statement about why they ask for addresses.

All of a sudden everyone was a specialist in international taxes and valve was breaking the law.

A year later and they dropped it and nothing happened despite valves "illegal activity"
CatraGirl 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:52 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr. Gentlebot:
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Anyway, the most infuriating part about this situation is how Valve aren't even saying anything about it.
So? They don't have to say anything about anything, they don't even tell users when a Steam Sale is, so why would you expect anything on this?

Riiiight, why expect a company to tell its customers why they're suddenly blocking a ton of content for no good reason in their country. Man, just stop.

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Gentlebot:
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
They just silently put it into place and tried to bury it under the Christmas sale.
Except the sale happens every single year and anything aside from that like policy changes, blocks etc are in response usually to a time frame already determined before this sale. That's entirely unrelated and a wild accusation.

Lol. The laws have been in place for over 10 years, I think even longer. There's no reason to change things now, if they've been ignoring it before. Don't tell me the timing is pure coincidence, when it's obviously not. If they had done it a month ago, the complaints wouldn't have been buried under the sale hype like they are now.
CatraGirl 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:53 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por brian9824:
All of a sudden everyone was a specialist in international taxes and valve was breaking the law.

Ironic coming from the guy talking about a country's laws, he doesn't understand at all.
Celendrin 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:54 a. m. 
You are missing a critical piece -

Germany is seen as one of the most 'advanced' countries in the world,

the Illuminati take Germany (and the Scandinavian countries) very seriously,

most likely it was decided that they wanted Germans to stay a leading country with relatively good quality people,

and wanted Germans to reproduce and have kids etc.

What you're not seeing in this is that any country given full-access 'p0rn' in games starts a serious and eventual decline,

in how people socialize and date, have families etc (as in they _dont_)

Japan is a perfect example,

'Anime' as people see it isn't some cute 'fun and happy' game genre,

it was specifically designed to prevent reproduction (birth rates) in the targeted country (Japan being the most obvious example),

it's a soft propaganda form of lowering populations (i.e. hard - nuclear bombs, earthquakes, 'soft' - propaganda like feminism, anime etc).

If it isn't obvious yet (there have been many documentaries this the last few years, remember military intelligence knew and _planned_ this decades ago),

countries like Japan have people 'playing' ('playing' being a very loose term of the word, lol) anime games for years now and choosing that over real-life girls and women,

it was by design.

Some head Illuminati person/group decided they wanted Germany to stay a relatively strong country with some reproduction ability of whatever Germany has left (in it's male population),

Anime and pr0n in "games" would've changed the trend to an almost irreversible depopulation curve so they probably decided against it.

Countries now are already facing feminism, the media (which gives impossible expectations for women in their choice of guys), needles (watch a lecture by Dr. Ayoub), and Covid in general (Covid is another depopulation tactic, along with wealth transference and consolidation).


Thank your Illuminati government for actually giving you some kind of chance, that means Germans are still held in relatively high regard to the rest of the world.


cinedine 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:56 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr. Gentlebot:
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Anyway, the most infuriating part about this situation is how Valve aren't even saying anything about it.
So? They don't have to say anything about anything, they don't even tell users when a Steam Sale is, so why would you expect anything on this?

Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
They just silently put it into place and tried to bury it under the Christmas sale.
Except the sale happens every single year and anything aside from that like policy changes, blocks etc are in response usually to a time frame already determined before this sale. That's entirely unrelated and a wild accusation.

Uhm, it's called "burying" and a typical move for companies as well as governments to "coincide" bad policy changes when people are likely to talk about something else.

End yes, Valve hasn't to tell us anything. Which they never do anyway. Their PR is abyssmal to non-existent. They can't even be bothered to issue an "we are working on it" statement regarding the problems with iDeal and Paysafe.

Right now, we don't even know if this is an intentional choice or something else ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up. And if the later whether they are aware of it.
cinedine 23 DIC 2020 a las 10:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por brian9824:
All of a sudden everyone was a specialist in international taxes and valve was breaking the law.

Says the American who is telling Germans how their laws work ...
Mad Scientist 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:00 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Riiiight, why expect a company to tell its customers why they're suddenly blocking a ton of content for no good reason in their country. Man, just stop.
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Lol. The laws have been in place for over 10 years, I think even longer. There's no reason to change things now, if they've been ignoring it before. Don't tell me the timing is pure coincidence, when it's obviously not. If they had done it a month ago, the complaints wouldn't have been buried under the sale hype like they are now.
Probably because someone finally got around to telling them to do it, or threat of EU find or something. Companies change policies all the time, who cares, you agreed to these things and continue to do so.

It's still a wild accusation to just go around claiming it was done around a sale, it's just a deflection from the fact you moreover don't like the timing, it's not anything nefarious. I doubt Steam sits down and goes "we must release this change only during a sale so no one notices" - someone always notices, they don't care when it's done as long as it's done either eventually or when pressure is applied.

They still don't need to give a reason or statement for anything when you make and renew agreements, if you have an issue with it, you can simply stop using the service.

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
Uhm, it's called "burying" and a typical move for companies as well as governments to "coincide" bad policy changes when people are likely to talk about something else.
Except Steam is not a government nor has it jumped on bandwagons of other companies. Again, it's not anything nefarious, it just is. So stop with the hand holding conspiracy theory nonsense

Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
End yes, Valve hasn't to tell us anything. Which they never do anyway. Their PR is abyssmal to non-existent. They can't even be bothered to issue an "we are working on it" statement regarding the problems with iDeal and Paysafe.
So something that never changes should keep expectations entirely the same.
These are personal issues, people will complain regardless even if they had an used PR for too much "corporate speak", not giving a time frame, etc. You can't appease everyone and Valve knows it. So why bother putting into effort where it's almost entirely wasted? Which is why this thread even exists

Última edición por Mad Scientist; 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:05 a. m.
CatraGirl 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mr. Gentlebot:
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Riiiight, why expect a company to tell its customers why they're suddenly blocking a ton of content for no good reason in their country. Man, just stop.
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
Lol. The laws have been in place for over 10 years, I think even longer. There's no reason to change things now, if they've been ignoring it before. Don't tell me the timing is pure coincidence, when it's obviously not. If they had done it a month ago, the complaints wouldn't have been buried under the sale hype like they are now.
Probably because someone finally got around to telling them to do it, or threat of EU find or something. Companies change policies all the time, who cares, you agreed to these things and continue to do so.

It's still a wild accusation to just go around claiming it was done around a sale, it's just a deflection from the fact you moreover don't like the timing, it's not anything nefarious. I doubt Steam sits down and goes "we must release this change only during a sale so no one notices" - someone always notices, they don't care when it's done as long as it's done either eventually or when pressure is applied.

They still don't need to give a reason or statement for anything when you make and renew agreements, if you have an issue with it, you can simply stop using the service.

lmao, imagine making excuses this hard for a billion-dollar company.
As the other guy said, "burying" is a common thing, it's not some conspiracy nonsense, it's actually pretty obvious why Valve chose the timing they did. Politicians do it all the time and so do companies. Who btw aren't your friend, so stop defending them so hard without questioning them.
Última edición por CatraGirl; 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:05 a. m.
Mad Scientist 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:11 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jill Sandwich:
lmao, imagine making excuses this hard for a billion-dollar company.
As the other guy said, "burying" is a common thing, it's not some conspiracy nonsense, it's actually pretty obvious why Valve chose the timing they did. Politicians do it all the time and so do companies. Who btw aren't your friend, so stop shilling so hard for them.
It's not an excuse.
Imagine always targeting anyone or any company just because of wealth and the standards you want that they are not obligated to give and just because something changes around a sale.
Now, if they really wanted to bury it - they would've done more than just the update (think forums).

Also just because I point these things out, doesn't mean I'm shilling for them. I'm pointing out that you're making a terrible accusation primarily based upon their wealth and per usual of individuals such as yourself immediately claim people are shilling for them. If all you want to do is target these two things primarily, it seems you're a bit insecure.
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MurxusMaximus 23 DIC 2020 a las 11:55 a. m. 
Just as a note what suffices in Germany as age verification:

Cigarette Vending machines have a slot for either a banking card/identity card and can successfully (as in legally sufficient) check the age. Completely *offline* - no access to some 'secure government database' or whatever you think is necessary needed.
Ryu.82 23 DIC 2020 a las 1:06 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:
Publicado originalmente por brian9824:
For instance in the US stores selling adult movies or material have it in a separate section where children are not allowed in as its illegal to show those to kids. This applies to digital content as well.

And how does this relate to Germany?
Oh right, it doesn't. Also once again: THERE IS NO ADULT ONLY in Germany. You cannot take laws regarding one country regarding one rating and transfer it to another country.

Wrong, in germany it is exactly the same as far as porn is concerned. It is illegal to be showcased anywhere where minors might see it. It is also illegal to make it accessable in any way to a minor. While parents might decide, that their children are okay with playing other 18+ games even when still minors, it is illegal even for them to allow them to watch porn or play games with such content, since they are a special case and adult only. So in this point germany has basically exactly the same laws as the US.

However, that does not mean that Steam would be responsible in those cases. Steam is only responsible if they would show or sell it to minors directly. If they sell it to an adult and this adult allows a minor to use it, it is this adult that is comitting a crime, not Steam, since Steam is the seller they only have to make sure they only show and sell it to adults, all else is not their responsibillity anymore. The account and the purchased games are the the responsibillity of the owners, they have to make sure that minors can´t access this content once they bought it.
Hadley 23 DIC 2020 a las 6:13 p. m. 
This has to be one of the most retarded decisions ever by Valve. Its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointless, it does NOTHING except force Germans to pirate since you aren't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ able to buy these Games anymore.
kitt 23 DIC 2020 a las 6:17 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ryu.82:
Publicado originalmente por cinedine:

And how does this relate to Germany?
Oh right, it doesn't. Also once again: THERE IS NO ADULT ONLY in Germany. You cannot take laws regarding one country regarding one rating and transfer it to another country.

Wrong, in germany it is exactly the same as far as porn is concerned. It is illegal to be showcased anywhere where minors might see it. It is also illegal to make it accessable in any way to a minor. While parents might decide, that their children are okay with playing other 18+ games even when still minors, it is illegal even for them to allow them to watch porn or play games with such content, since they are a special case and adult only. So in this point germany has basically exactly the same laws as the US.

However, that does not mean that Steam would be responsible in those cases. Steam is only responsible if they would show or sell it to minors directly. If they sell it to an adult and this adult allows a minor to use it, it is this adult that is comitting a crime, not Steam, since Steam is the seller they only have to make sure they only show and sell it to adults, all else is not their responsibillity anymore. The account and the purchased games are the the responsibillity of the owners, they have to make sure that minors can´t access this content once they bought it.
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