FREE GIVEAWAYS LIKE Epic Games

[Golden Bear]

Steam should make free giveaways like that in Epic store for AAA games once in a month
This will help Valve to beat Epic and stay on the top FOREVER

[Casurin]

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

DRM in almost every game is un-noticable. The only time it really creates a problem is when its implemented improperly. Like I remember one game using denuvo who miscoded how it was used so it was hitting the authentication server thousands of times a minute. They fixed it and now its fine.

Messaggio originale di Tito Shivan:

Not a joke though. For the average gamer Joe all the subjects that fill pages of discussions and gaming articles are mostly non-existant to them.

I work in a enviroment where one finds a lot of 'people who plays games' (Not to confuse with 'Gamers') and it's funny how I never see the subjects one reads here when they discuss games.
That includes:

-DRM: I've never heard anyone even mention Denuvo
-Client Wars: 'I grabbed Subnautica for free the other day at Epic. Cool game!'
-Microtransactions: Well, no. They actually speak about them. About which skins they got at Overwatch or the cards they got at FIFA.

Most of the people just play games.

Shows how little the guys that are most in favour of DRMs know about what they do, how they work or what their imapct is.

The 2 biggest impacts DRMs have on games are quite obvious but strange that some people have to deny reality that hard:
- big increase in load-times - most forms of DRM (specially things like Denuvo) have a large impact on load-times, often being as extreme as going from 15 seconds without to well over a minute with DRM.
- reliability - most forms of DRM nowadays rely on online validation which leads to problems like the game not launching when the server is overloaded or down (assassins creed was a good example) and also means that after some time it might very well become impossible to play the games you have bought.


But sure - go ahead, please explain to us how it is oh so great that games toake way longer to load, can suddenly stop working all together and on lower end system often have worse performance - really a thing that everybody wants.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Steam is a form of DRM devs can use and has no impact on performance.

[Brian9824]

Messaggio originale di Casurin:

Shows how little the guys that are most in favour of DRMs know about what they do, how they work or what their imapct is.

The 2 biggest impacts DRMs have on games are quite obvious but strange that some people have to deny reality that hard:
- big increase in load-times - most forms of DRM (specially things like Denuvo) have a large impact on load-times, often being as extreme as going from 15 seconds without to well over a minute with DRM.

Funny enough, you won't be able to provide any proof of that as its a common claim, but is never actually backed up. The only time its true was with I believe one of the Sonic games, and that was the case I mentioned where the dev's screwed up and did it wrong.

If you knew how DRM works, you'd understand that most of them operate one time when launching the game, and after the initial check they don't do anything. So the claim that they degrade the game is nonsensical.

There have been back to back tests of the cracked games and games with DRM and in almost every case they perform near identical.

Messaggio originale di Casurin:

- reliability - most forms of DRM nowadays rely on online validation which leads to problems like the game not launching when the server is overloaded or down (assassins creed was a good example) and also means that after some time it might very well become impossible to play the games you have bought.

That was something which I specifically mentioned, but as I pointed out the modern forms of DRM are also very easy to remove now compared to what they used to be.


Your also ignoring the fact that STEAM is DRM, and for instance has no issue on performance. You are looking at a miniscule outlier where the dev's screwed up the implementation of the DRM and trying to use that to say DRM is bad when 99.9% of DRM is impossible to notice.

[Chemical Man!]

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

Funny enough, you won't be able to provide any proof of that as its a common claim, but is never actually backed up. The only time its true was with I believe one of the Sonic games, and that was the case I mentioned where the dev's screwed up and did it wrong.

https://youtu.be/08zW_1-AEng

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

If you knew how DRM works, you'd understand that most of them operate one time when launching the game, and after the initial check they don't do anything. So the claim that they degrade the game is nonsensical.

There have been back to back tests of the cracked games and games with DRM and in almost every case they perform near identical.

https://youtu.be/Jt_B1kat1nQ
Dosent seem identical to me

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

That was something which I specifically mentioned, but as I pointed out the modern forms of DRM are also very easy to remove now compared to what they used to be.


Your also ignoring the fact that STEAM is DRM, and for instance has no issue on performance. You are looking at a miniscule outlier where the dev's screwed up the implementation of the DRM and trying to use that to say DRM is bad when 99.9% of DRM is impossible to notice.

it is easy to notice escpecially in the load times

This video is just for informational

[Tito Shivan]

Messaggio originale di Casurin:

Shows how little the guys that are most in favour of DRMs know about what they do, how they work or what their imapct is.

This is not about DRM having an impact on games. It's about the average gamer caring about that impact.

And out of internet forums and youtube videos people don't really care about it.

[Brian9824]

Messaggio originale di Chemical Man!:

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

Funny enough, you won't be able to provide any proof of that as its a common claim, but is never actually backed up. The only time its true was with I believe one of the Sonic games, and that was the case I mentioned where the dev's screwed up and did it wrong.

https://youtu.be/08zW_1-AEng

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

If you knew how DRM works, you'd understand that most of them operate one time when launching the game, and after the initial check they don't do anything. So the claim that they degrade the game is nonsensical.

There have been back to back tests of the cracked games and games with DRM and in almost every case they perform near identical.

https://youtu.be/Jt_B1kat1nQ
Dosent seem identical to me

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

That was something which I specifically mentioned, but as I pointed out the modern forms of DRM are also very easy to remove now compared to what they used to be.


Your also ignoring the fact that STEAM is DRM, and for instance has no issue on performance. You are looking at a miniscule outlier where the dev's screwed up the implementation of the DRM and trying to use that to say DRM is bad when 99.9% of DRM is impossible to notice.

it is easy to notice escpecially in the load times

This video is just for informational

That's a common urban myth that has been debunked numerous times. What occurs in nearly every case is one of the following

1. They are testing different versions of the game with different patches, so performance varies
2. They are testing the game officially before and after Denuvo is removed but those patches often contain other performance improvements.

It's basically IMPOSSIBLE to compare identical versions of a game with and without Denuvo, but the rare cases where it is possible have shown no difference - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/09/ars-analysis-denuvo-drm-doesnt-slow-down-batman-arkham-knight/

https://www.pcgamer.com/denuvo-drm-performance-final-fantasy-15/

Those are 2 of the rare examples where you can compare the exact same version with and without Denuvo and there is no difference. Testing different versions of a software and then trying to claim that Denuvo is the reason for the difference is not backed up by any evidence.


Just because its on youtube you can't assume its the truth,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJ9NfYwlcI

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

1. They are testing different versions of the game with different patches, so performance varies
2. They are testing the game officially before and after Denuvo is removed but those patches often contain other performance improvements.

My favourite is Conan Exiles. Testing graphical performance with hair and without hair. Which quite obviously does have a heavy impact.
Also Heavy Rain were there is one obvious outlier in the frames measuring and else it's pretty much the same with differences around 1 %. Which is normal fluctuation.

But that doesn't fit the narrative.

[Brian9824]

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

1. They are testing different versions of the game with different patches, so performance varies
2. They are testing the game officially before and after Denuvo is removed but those patches often contain other performance improvements.

My favourite is Conan Exiles. Testing graphical performance with hair and without hair. Which quite obviously does have a heavy impact.
Also Heavy Rain were there is one obvious outlier in the frames measuring and else it's pretty much the same with differences around 1 %. Which is normal fluctuation.

But that doesn't fit the narrative.

There HAVE been games where it does effect the performance, not denying that, but the impact is usually tied to how the dev's implement it

[Siam]

When things are "free", remember you're the product.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

My favourite is Conan Exiles. Testing graphical performance with hair and without hair. Which quite obviously does have a heavy impact.
Also Heavy Rain were there is one obvious outlier in the frames measuring and else it's pretty much the same with differences around 1 %. Which is normal fluctuation.

But that doesn't fit the narrative.

There HAVE been games where it does effect the performance, not denying that, but the impact is usually tied to how the dev's implement it

Since we're talking about somethuing that applies an extra step in the execution process there is invariably going to be a performance cost. Whether or not this performance cost is noticeable or significant. tends to depend on the implementation

[Chemical Man!]

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

Messaggio originale di Chemical Man!:

https://youtu.be/08zW_1-AEng



https://youtu.be/Jt_B1kat1nQ
Dosent seem identical to me



it is easy to notice escpecially in the load times

This video is just for informational

That's a common urban myth that has been debunked numerous times. What occurs in nearly every case is one of the following

1. They are testing different versions of the game with different patches, so performance varies
2. They are testing the game officially before and after Denuvo is removed but those patches often contain other performance improvements.

It's basically IMPOSSIBLE to compare identical versions of a game with and without Denuvo, but the rare cases where it is possible have shown no difference - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/09/ars-analysis-denuvo-drm-doesnt-slow-down-batman-arkham-knight/

https://www.pcgamer.com/denuvo-drm-performance-final-fantasy-15/

Those are 2 of the rare examples where you can compare the exact same version with and without Denuvo and there is no difference. Testing different versions of a software and then trying to claim that Denuvo is the reason for the difference is not backed up by any evidence.

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Just because you can find one game that didnt have any performance issues doesnt mean its the same across the board...devs could have done something special to bypass the stress added...Even IF** (big IF) every game (keyword: every) showed no performance
degrade using Denuevo...theres still the facts that a)you have to have
an online connection just to play single player games, b)it does add
extra stress to your hardware (rootkits do not run on magic) and c)it
locks your hardware specs to game installation (which means if you ever
change out your pc hardware you might have issues playing that game).
Oh and theres d)games that have Denuevo are STILL being cracked and
pirated (see Shadow of War). Denuevo is nothing but intrusive rootkit
DRM that punishes paying customers in all those ways above and doesnt
stop most pirates...it has to go.

Messaggio originale di brian9824:

Just because its on youtube you can't assume its the truth,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJ9NfYwlcI

\This comment is the most saddest thing ive seen, truly makes me think your not human at all.

Just because you found 2 articles on a random site you cant assume and dosent mean i'ts automatically true either