Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 14 日 上午 12:38
Standard deviation of game reviews
There are games that get mixed reviews because they are "meh" and people generally don't like or dislike them.

There are also games that get mixed reviews because some players love them and some players hate them.

How can you know the difference?

EDIT: It seems I need to explain myself better. There are thousands of games. Few games are worth checking for me. Personally I trust user reviews more than a pretty facade. Consequently, I check only ones that have "overwhelmingly" or "very positive" reviews. This causes me to miss games that I could like because they are targeted to my niche but have "mixed" or "mostly positive" reviews. I don't have time or interest to delve deeper into every game to see if it's worth my time. Who does?

When we go shopping we check the surface and maybe inspect the item more closely if it attracts us. Nobody checks every item in the supermarket thoroughly before deciding what to buy, for obvious reasons. We need filters for what we pay more attention to. Natural conservation of energy.

The more accurate information we can get from a product beforehand, the less is left for hunches and guesswork and the less we waste our energy in the filtering process when our filters are more likely to lead us to a good purchase.

People have different filters with different weights. Before inspecting more closely, some people weigh the price, some people see how it looks, some people, the professional metascore. I put most weight on the overall user review score. Not everyone is like that, but there are people like that.

There are niche games that don't get the customers they deserve because they are turned away by people downvoting because it was not their niche. With the possibility to see if people feel strongly about the product, people who assess the product to be their niche may still inspect it more closely even with mixed reviews.
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Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 14 日 上午 11:03 
I've seen people do hard work their life and enp up with nothing. Not every work is equally profitable. Better to prioritize, am I right?
Start_Running 2017 年 9 月 14 日 上午 11:08 
引用自 Jagulars
I've seen people do hard work their life and enp up with nothing. Not every work is equally profitable. Better to prioritize, am I right?

Nothing is a funny word. Rather subjective.
Gus the Crocodile 2017 年 9 月 14 日 下午 12:56 
引用自 Quint the PSY Duck
Not standard error (since we're not sampling)
Different ways of looking at it I guess. I was using the mindset that reviews sample the Steam community's thoughts.

In any case, thanks for guiding us all (possibly OP included, by the sound of it) toward a concrete suggestion.
cinedine 2017 年 9 月 14 日 下午 1:10 
引用自 Quint the PSY Duck
OP's issue is one good reason why a neutral or other middle option would be useful.

How so? OP is ignoring all but the highest rated games. How would that change?
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2017 年 9 月 14 日 下午 4:56 
引用自 cinedine
引用自 Quint the PSY Duck
OP's issue is one good reason why a neutral or other middle option would be useful.

How so? OP is ignoring all but the highest rated games. How would that change?
That's under the present system; under a new system, OP's algorithm would likely change to include lower aggregate ratings that also have polarized distributions.
☠ Jordan ☠ 2017 年 9 月 14 日 下午 8:40 
Actually read the reviews instead of the rating. Numbers or star ratings have so far never told me whether my tastes will be satisfied. Read what is in the game from the reviewers (I don't pay attention to professional reviewers anymore I cannot take them seriously as actual gamers most are shills and I hate using that word but look up minecraft Notch's tweets on the emails he got from game review companies) As for Steam reviewers while I do agree that there is massive outpour of negative reviews when companies do things that people dislike I still believe it is their right to do so. Reviews are subjective and opinion based. I nuked my GTA V review after what Take Two pulled and my Fallout 4 review but if you read the reviews you know why.
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Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 12:56 
When we go shopping we check the surface and maybe inspect the item more closely if it attracts us. Nobody checks every item in the supermarket thoroughly before deciding what to buy, for obvious reasons. We need filters for what we pay more attention to. Natural conservation of energy.

The more accurate information we can get from a product beforehand, the less is left for hunches and guesswork and the less we waste our energy in the filtering process when our filters are more likely to lead us to a good purchase.

People have different filters with different weights. Before inspecting more closely, some people weigh the price, some people see how it looks, some people, the professional metascore. I put most weight on the overall user review score. Not everyone is like that, but there are people like that.

There are niche games that don't get the customers they deserve because they are turned away by people downvoting because it was not their niche. With the possibility to see if people feel strongly about the product, people who assess the product to be their niche may still inspect it more closely even with mixed reviews.
Start_Running 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 4:57 
引用自 Jagulars
When we go shopping we check the surface and maybe inspect the item more closely if it attracts us. Nobody checks every item in the supermarket thoroughly before deciding what to buy, for obvious reasons. We need filters for what we pay more attention to. Natural conservation of energy.

Oh. But smart people do.

As do people with a vested interest in being careful. Such as people with allergies or medical conditions that leave them sensitive to certain things. If you see a game title that catches your eye, then the amount of care you put into research more or less correlates to how much you care about getting a product you will enjoy.

Buyt to my first choice. Anything worth buying is worth investigating throughly. Does this mean you go hunting and reading the labvels of everything in a supermarket. Maybe. I mean if your mission was to buy one of every type of product the supermarket carries then yeah. Butmost people walk into a supermarket with a list or at the very least an idea of what they are looking for and what they need.

You basically just seem to be the sort to walk intoa store without either and rather just buy what you see other people buying.

The more accurate information we can get from a product beforehand, the less is left for hunches and guesswork and the less we waste our energy in the filtering process when our filters are more likely to lead us to a good purchase.

STore pages are accurate within acceptable margins and again these are entertainment products. 'Good' is entirely subjective here so again, you'll never have a filter that will work the way you want. You can filter screws based on objective metrics. The head type, length, diameter, threading, etc. The best you can do for say books is filter by genre and author. But of course genres geet mixed and matched and if all you look for is J. K. ROwly, you'll never see a RObert Jordan book.

So youu either get used to just buying what is massively popular or you learn to delve and apply critical thinking. IT's noit even hard. If you can't spend even 3 minutes. Well.. that's really you problem. Not the lack of filters.

Filters will only ever be based on what you already like and will only ever show you more of the same thusly you will never discover anything new. Except by accident or chance.

people weigh the price, some people see how it looks, some people, the professional metascore.

Wait... did you just call metascore, the running joke of the videogame industry, professional. LOLOLOLOL

I put most weight on the overall user review score. Not everyone is like that, but there are people like that.
And so you're chasing what is popular, not what is necessarily interesting or innovative. just what is popular.. That's valid but again, It's going to leave you blind to quite a few things you might have liked. There's always a trade off. That's how life works. Which is why the system works. You're free to weight something based on whatever metric you want but in the end you will have to live with the errors and oversights of your selection process.

There are niche games that don't get the customers they deserve because they are turned away by people downvoting because it was not their niche. With the possibility to see if people feel strongly about the product, people who assess the product to be their niche may still inspect it more closely even with mixed reviews.

Hence why you READ the commentary with the reviews, You can usually find at least two well worded ones in the top five most popular or most recent.. So again. there';s no magic math that's ngoing to let you find the niche games you're overlooking because you're weighting popularity over content.

Sorry but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:09 
Many people want to use computers but they don't build them for themselves. I don't know any people who never use other people's effort to ease their life. Companies also want to make pre-built computers more accessible to customers so they are more likely to buy them. Is this bad business?

There's a correlation between what other people find enjoyable and what I find enjoyable. Is it logical to use that correlation to my advantage instead of doing all the work myself so I can focus on other matters?
多次拒绝范冰冰 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:20 
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Start_Running 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:54 
引用自 Jagulars
Many people want to use computers but they don't build them for themselves.
In whcih case they must either trust the sales person to sell them a preassembled machine that will serve their needs. Or They must trust the person building to assemble one that will suit their needs.

Not assembling your computer is one thging but taking the time to resasearch parts and such will net you a better result even if someone else assembles it or you're buying a preassembled PC.

Again. Those that take the time and energy to research will alwaysbe more likely to get what they need or want than those who leave it up to someone else. Laziness always loses.

I don't know any people who never use other people's effort to ease their life. Companies also want to make pre-built computers more accessible to customers so they are more likely to buy them. Is this bad business?
Except if you;ll notice the retailers are always motivated to up sell you and will often emphasize the wrong thing. You'll notice very quickly that sales reps behave entirely differently when they know they're dealing with someone who has done their research and knows the right questions to as, as opposed to someone who obviously hasn't.

Hell that's why companies discovered if you simply sl,ap the word 'Gaming' on any peripheral you can jack the pr5ice like 300%. That's why cable manufacturers know irf you mention gold-plated connectors, you can pretty much get away with over charging people for something that has no actual effect.

Again. People who take the time and effort toeresearch will always come out ahead of those who blidnly follow others.

There's a correlation between what other people find enjoyable and what I find enjoyable. Is it logical to use that correlation to my advantage instead of doing all the work myself so I can focus on other matters?

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Something that is universally unoffensive and apalletable doesn't neccessarily trranslate to be good. Something designed to be enjoyable buy the widest swaths of people is often different that something designed to appeal to a very specific niche.

It's the difference between a McDonalds and Ethnic Cuisine. McDonalds is universally bland and really it's only saving grace is that it is okay. IT doesn't taste bad but the taste is forgetable, Some people doin't like curry, others do. Those that do will always go with something that has good curry than something that is just bland.

Again. If you want to be lazy, that can work but you''re going to miss out. That's your trade off. You spend less energy and you reap lesser rewards.
Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 7:22 
I'm asking myself: why does this person so vehemently argue with me? He does not have any suggestion to implement. First, I thought he just wanted to save his face so I made concessions. Now I'm thinking that he's frustrated when people gain something without paying proper effort for it. Should I try to convince him that this happens in the world all the time or just agree with him that I don't deserve what I'm suggesting so he can be satisfied?
Start_Running 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 7:43 
引用自 Jagulars
I'm asking myself: why does this person so vehemently argue with me?

Why do you fear having your ideas challenged?

He does not have any suggestion to implement.
Because there is no suggestion to solve the problem of laziness.

First, I thought he just wanted to save his face so I made concessions. Now I'm thinking that he's frustrated when people gain something without paying proper effort for it. Should I try to convince him that this happens in the world all the time or just agree with him that I don't deserve what I'm suggesting so he can be satisfied?
The problem is, Every scenario you've shown shows that those who expend more effort will reap better results than those who don't. So in effect the less you just to employ your own effort, the more of a disadvantage you deliberately place yourself.

Just saying. Your self admitted problem is that you can't be bothered to actually read reviews, and thusly go the rout of buying whatever is popular. WHich is not a bad strategy but it has a trade off. That is you will miss the less popular niche games that you might actually like.

You like sitting on your ass and eating cake all day but are bummed by the fact you are charged for no less than two seats on any public trasportation or threatre. The solution to your problem can be summed up as taking an extra 3 minutes to review titles that catch your interest.

There's no fix for lazines, but work. If yoiu choose to be lazxy, you will always be behind people who work.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 7:49 
Time is a finite resource.
Jagulars 2017 年 9 月 15 日 上午 7:58 
引用自 Start_Running
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There's no fix for lazines, but work.
In this case, there seems to be a fix. Just add the middle vote button. What's the trade-off? It seems like a win-win to me.

A side remark that I want to make to challenge your idea in turn: over the course of history it has been the lazy creative people with ideas that conserve effort, that have allowed the development of techonology to the point of us chatting through our metal plates across the world.
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