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I get the feeling you don't even get what I'm talking about.
To make a point:
You're now on a list.
Your profile is private, that means you're probably a scammer, a cheater, troll or probably all of the above. So you're now on a list on those grounds, and your name is going to be passed around together with other thousands of users.
And no one is going to listen to your arguments, because you're on a list. And that means you did something to be on that list.
BTW: You're actually 'on a list' for using an alt account to bump your own thread and reply to yourself.
Yes, if there were shareable blocklists, then I might get put on one for not having a public profile, or any number of other silly reasons.
But so what?
I'm not owed the ability to communicate with those people. And their willing use of a list that incorporates nonsensical prejudices indicates that they are okay with those particular prejudices. So when you talk about them not "listening to your arguments" - those people were never going to listen in the first place. Nothing of value has been lost there.
I think the Steam Friends block list is limited to like only a 1000 users in it anyway. They would first have to increase the number of users that we could place in that list.
I'm not against the idea, I just think its a lot more work and overhead for these list to be kept / managed. Like, ever tried to load and manage a wishlist with more than 4000 products in it? Its slow and a mess here.
I don't have a problem using blockers, pi-hole, Ublock Origin, host files, blocking advertisers and malicious URL list. So why not block steam spammers, scammers, trolls or others, than I don't think it would be as easy or effecient as we think it would be. This is Valve we're talking about here, and its not as easy as other tools or a priority. Valve will community ban and VAC / Game Ban the worst of the worst arounfd here, iIf caught or reported enough. The best we can ask for.
Nah, you can go over 1,000, I'm presently nearing 2,000 from years of L4D2 play alone. At a point, I want to say like 1,333 but I don't know why that number stands out to me. You can no longer actually view your blocklist, instead you'd have to go to the user's individual profile and remove them individually.
People seem to be getting caught up on the idea of some huge over-arching block-list, which is not what I'm asking for. I'm just literally asking for like a .txt export file of my blocklist so it can be merged with another trusted user's blocklist. Presently to do so would require manually adding each and every user individually, which is inefficient.
The concern seems to be that people will bind together and create HUGE blocklists and hand them off. Which is a real possibility. BUT... one, it would require the user in question to have virtually zero web savvy to just grab something dealing with a minor security issue like that off some random source on the internet and you can't help that level of stupidity. Two, the entire idea that it's trolling is questionable to me. Trolls NEED attention, if they don't get to witness the frustration their poor behavior causes then it's not fun.
I'm ok with being on this hypothetical troll blocklist, it's literally preventing me from playing with trolls and people too stupid to not just grab some list of the internet and implement it on their systems.
Someone smarter than I could probably write a user script to capture and export your friends blocklisted , convert URL to user Steamid64 URLs, to share. You'd still have to manually share and add those users on your own. As they have said, they see list like these as a name and shame, although some may derserve it. Someone could possiably create a web site and add the feature? https://steamrep.com/ though Vavle would probably cease and desist them if they used the API.
Like perhapse for abuse of the report system? List of users with porn avatars? Someone at Valve would have to work overtime?
Time is the limited resource - Gabe Newell
I'm just tired of getting on to play a video game and have some fun and wind up playing a babysitting simulator instead. It's a never-ending struggle which is why my blocklist is as large as it is, but it at least keeps me from having to babysit the same kids over and over.
That same list you'd get on and not really care about being on it might get used by some white knights to harass you (and maybe people you know) sometimes out of Steam and even personally just because you were on that list.
Or that list might end up being part of a public server plugin and next thing you know is you're having a hard time connecting to servers of a game you own (because people decided no one wants to play with 'people on that list')
Many people who want 'a list' have never seen the wrong end of ending on 'a list' (and the reasons to end there don't really matter, because there's no control on who gets on that list)
Because that's how huge over-arching lists are born.
You're buliding a list based on who was put on a list based on someone else who put them on a list because they were on some other person's list.
Right, so I might get on someone's list, and some people might harass me based on that information. (Meanwhile, other people who have nothing to do with me are using these lists to avoid harassment entirely, before it begins. Steam is now a measurably better place for them.)
First of all, if they do harass me on Steam...I can block them. In fact, in this scenario, I can block a whole host of people known to do that, all at once. So, uh. Weird threat to set up, given the context of the thread.
Second, this harassment might happen already. I mean it's not like lists are something that hasn't been invented yet. Or awful people. Awful people are going to exhibit awful behaviour. And any piece of information (or lack thereof) can be used to justify that behaviour, to them. That's their nature. Doesn't need lists in order to happen. Doesn't need anything. In 2014, a women had the gall to break up with her boyfriend, and that became Gamergate, because that's how eagerly some people out there will jump on an opportunity to be horrible to others.
So sure, maybe lists could set them off, I don't deny that. But if it's not lists, it's going to be something else. Which means Valve needs to be able to deal with harassment that may pop up at any time based on basically nothing. And if you're holding up harassment as a threat under this scenario, is that not an admission - or at least a worry - that Valve don't have the capacity to address harassment on their platform themselves? In which case, isn't empowering users pretty much the only other available direction, until such time as Valve get their act together?
That's okay, I'm not owed access to other people's servers either. That happening is pretty much a sign saying "hey, this server is run by arseholes" anyway. Nice to have the notice up front, now I can go somewhere else.
I mean, what, would you tell server admins they don't have the right to block me from their servers - tell them what they're doing is against the rules? Of course not, right, because it's not. It's okay for server admins to block me without me doing anything wrong; that possibility is just accepted. But now that lists are involved it's invoked as a scary outcome? Nah.
Unless you're making a personal statement about what I've "never seen" (you aren't doing that, right?), I don't know why you're telling me this. You can take the hypothetical views of hypothetical people up with them.
What is going to prevent "John" from putting "Robert" on such a list that he then spreads to other players which then would indicate to the userbase at large that Robert is a troll/griefer because John said so when Robert could be guilty of nothing more than having a civil disagreement with John and how in the long term such a list could be very destructive for the community?
Do you not see how easily this could be abused by vindictive people EXACTLY the same way as vindictive people have abused such lists on Twitter?
Also, in the case of Robert, how would be be able to contest the claims John made that he is a troll in order to fix his name and reputation?
Exaclty, this suggestion would legitimize naming and shaming in the community. Which is a no-go for reasons explained thousands of times
If someone indeed has 2000 people on their block list, I rather they they are the problem. That is definitely not normal. Games are meant to be inclusive.
My block lists in MMOs only contained the worst of the worst that kept bothering me. Most annoying encounters are a one-off anyway, so no need to put them on any list. It's like people filling their block lists with spam bots ... why? They are gone next months anyway and replaced by new ones two times already.
The people making these lists would be the same ones who voted for scammy games on Greenlight. Or the ones who tagged Barbie Dreamhouse party as 'Psychological horror'
Totally reliable people.
At the end of the day it's been a tried and failed initiative. People already tried crowdsourcing 'scammer bloc lists' that didn't help or alleviate the problem (Other than have bloated block lists)
This happens now.
So your entire argument is to me... basically just an argument against the system of blocklists as they exist in their entirety. You just don't like being blocked.
Well... tough. You don't have a right to not be blocked. The entire argument is variations one of "well, yes, but blocklists are bad, mmkay?" No, blocklists are the way things are. This isn't a discussion about how evil it is that you can't troll everyone and get away with it unhindered. It's merely an expansion of the tool that already exists. Simple ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ coding request.
If you hate blocklists and the idea that you can't harass the ♥♥♥♥ out of people save for the vague far away and distant threat of steam getting off their asses and VAC banning you because someone reported you (which practically NEVER happens, because there's no evidence usually other than he said/ she said, which is PRECISELY why block lists exist, because Steam doesn't want to have to police their community.)... well... go start a thread about how blocklists are evil and should be completely removed from the interface. See how well that works out for you.