rewards for most reported hackers.

[jaytraudt1]

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Just so you're not confuse, there's a differences between a hacker, and a hijacker.

Now are you talking about reporting explots in on the system for people security, and etc, or are you talking about seeing people in game using cheats?

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

How exactly would that help? People already report hackers because they want to get them banned so they can't hack. All your suggestion would do is make people report everyone slowing down the ability to ban hackers.

Not to mention many hackers are banned automatically, or already reported so this would just make people claim they weren't getting rewarded

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

No, it would encourage false reports with the hope of getting one right, along with a reward.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

Reporting cheaters/hackers is rather pointless, the system needs to catch them in the act. Recording a video means nothing as they can be faked easily. Just your say so that someone is cheating is not enough because I could easily get 100 or 1000 people to report you as a cheater, so does that mean you should be banned? No it doesn't.

What you want would encourage false reporting just for a chance at a reward.


Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

The reward is knowing that a potential ban may come from reporting cheaters (not "hackers" as most mistakenly label them as). Most often than not the person reported isnt a cheater which would lead to the reporter trying to contact support or to post here "valve is letting us report for free!! I reported at least (insert quantity) haxxerz amd i didnt get my reward". Terrible idea and is not implemented for a reason.

[jaytraudt1]

I should have said proven hackers. It might encourage others to report them. I am sure you guys get the atta boys too for catching them like I do but if they pushed it and they are PROVEN then maybe it would get others to get involved is all I was trying to say.

[jaytraudt1]

I am sure thy know but they can't watch the games and two hacks and scripts come in so many forms.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

I should have said proven hackers. It might encourage others to report them. I am sure you guys get the atta boys too for catching them like I do but if they pushed it and they are PROVEN then maybe it would get others to get involved is all I was trying to say.

Well you are in luck, Vac detects known cheats, so reporting would not be required and at the very least the cheating account will receive a ban. There is also overwatch that exists, which the gameplay footage is shown and what not and others make judgement on that. You are wanting a 3rd system put in place that is already what overwatch does, but you are wanting a reward for it.

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

There should be an award for most reported hackers that are caught. It would maybe slow down all the hacking on the game.

No, it would encourage false reports with the hope of getting one right, along with a reward.

[Tito Shivan]

But users dont 'catch' hackers. VAC does.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

No, it would encourage false reports with the hope of getting one right, along with a reward.

I still shudder at the sheer ammount of spam that a single task for getting a Steam badge spawned in the forums for years.
Offering any kind of reward for 'spotting' cheaters could potentially create enough spam to render the report system non-operative. Something cheaters would be glad at.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

But users dont 'catch' hackers. VAC does.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

No, it would encourage false reports with the hope of getting one right, along with a reward.

I still shudder at the sheer ammount of spam that a single task for getting a Steam badge spawned in the forums for years.
Offering any kind of reward for 'spotting' cheaters could potentially create enough spam to render the report system non-operative. Something cheaters would be glad at.

It's just another case of someone wanting something for free.

[jaytraudt1]

It's not about getting things for free. It's about trying to slow down the hacking. No offense meant but that was about as childish a response as anybody could come up with. Free? Really.

[ElvisDeadly]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

It's not about getting things for free. It's about trying to slow down the hacking. No offense meant but that was about as childish a response as anybody could come up with. Free? Really.

Why do you need a reward then?

If it's about doing your part for the community and helping stop cheaters, why do you need recognition?

Also, VAC doesn't work off reports

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

It's not about getting things for free. It's about trying to slow down the hacking. No offense meant but that was about as childish a response as anybody could come up with. Free? Really.

Why do you need to give out a reward then? I mean if im playing a game and i see someone hacking i'm going to report them. I don't need a reward to do so.

All a reward does is make people spam the report function hoping to get more hits so they can get free stuff

[Supafly]

So if I play 24/7 and report every player which I believe will lower my trust factor? that'll make me play with others of low trust factor which in turn are more likely to be cheaters. All I have to do is keep on reporting and I win a reward. Awesome.

Originally posted by jaytraudt1:

It's not about getting things for free. It's about trying to slow down the hacking. No offense meant but that was about as childish a response as anybody could come up with. Free? Really.

Cheating is not hacking. The software cheaters use may be hax but that doesn't make the cheaters hackers.

Encouraging reports of cheaters is fine but once you add incentives players will start reporting for anything. Get a lucky wall bang on the first or even 30th bullet and in go the accusations. 'WALHACKER' report the cheater. Kick the waller ffs etc etc

Skill and some luck will = constant reports even when a player isn't cheating. Again I'm not sure but I think getting reported, even if not proven, may lower trust factor.