Stop shoving social media down our throats, most players don't want it.

[Wraith_Magus]

The daily chores the winter sale brings seems to invariably be a daily prod to please, oh, please, someone use the Steam chat programs they just set up. You know, the one I grudgingly logged into, only to be met with that wonderful general Steam board toxic community producing an unceasing flood of spammed emojis and Trump doing nazi salute ASCII art. I can't see why you'd have to bribe people into signing onto that! Steam apparently wants me to find some victim on my friends list to harass with their stupid stickers and forcing into a voice chat while holding the funny money of the week hostage for it.

I have Discord and IRC and phone texting services and many other methods of chat that everyone I would ever talk to explicitly prefer over using Steam. I am vehemently uninterested in violating the privacy of any of my actual friends or family by being constantly updated on the exact game they are playing with pop-ups, and I loathe that I have to remember to set my account to "Offline" just to make the announcements that someone is STILL playing Rust every half hour stop interrupting whatever I happen to be doing with my computer at the moment.

The people in charge here have the statistics, and they know that the overwhelming majority of Steam's userbase use Steam simply as a platform from which they launch games and as a store front, not a spyware social media space that somehow replaces a Facebook that spys on every game you play instead of every webpage you use. (Plus one that, again, is primarily filled with that wonderfully toxic Steam community bred of about a decade of not bothering to hire moderators to remove all the overt neo-nazi hate groups until most people were unwilling to use Steam's general forums and Eternal September had kicked in.) I don't use Facebook for a reason, why would I want Steam to become another Facebook?

If Steam's programmers have the time and energy to be reinventing the wheel created by better services, maybe they could spend that time in making the basic Steam library page stop leaking memory, instead? I still have to constantly close out and relaunch Steam because the garbage new library forced upon people just to force social media garbage nobody asked for upon players who just wanted a functional library and launcher for their games.

You may think this is some sort of good idea to compete with Epic or something, but forcing your customers to do things they explicitly do not want to do is not a great method of fostering brand loyalty. Maybe trying to make your client less buggy rather than more buggy would be a good starting point?

[Aachen]

Just don’t participate in the event, if you’ve such strong feelings, I wit.

[Radene]

Ignore. Most of us do.

[Wraith_Magus]

Aachen님이 먼저 게시:

Just don’t participate in the event, if you’ve such strong feelings, I wit. :2018ship:

Why thank you toxic Steam general forums user for once again living up to expectations, and instantly, reflexively attacking whoever posts about problems, because obviously, people who report bugs are the problem, not the bugs. I will never get tired of watching you people work tirelessly to make the world a worse place.

[Radene]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Why thank you toxic Steam general forums user for once again living up to expectations.

Exactly, so why do you insist on participating? This sale event is completely meaningless, anyway.

[Wraith_Magus]

Radene님이 먼저 게시:

Exactly, so why do you insist on participating? This sale event is completely meaningless, anyway.

Steam wouldn't go to the effort of creating this system (including a surprise "you have to pay new money once this event starts to get tokens" just to screw over people getting gift cards for the holidays) if they didn't know it was a means of manipulating its users.

[Radene]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Radene님이 먼저 게시:

Exactly, so why do you insist on participating? This sale event is completely meaningless, anyway.

Steam wouldn't go to the effort of creating this system (including a surprise "you have to pay new money once this event starts to get tokens" just to screw over people getting gift cards for the holidays) if they didn't know it was a means of manipulating its users.

The only way to win the rat race is to not participate.

[Wraith_Magus]

Radene님이 먼저 게시:

The only way to win the rat race is to not participate.

Then the only way to avoid all the bugs in Steam (and the toxic community members who say that all bug reports are meaningless, etc.) is to stop using Steam or buying games over it altogether. This is not a random occurrence in nature, this is a deliberate corporate strategy designed to bring about a specific response from users, and actively thinking about what that would be and why they are doing it is a basic element of defending one's own rights as a consumer.

To anyone who isn't an obsessive fanboy that tries to shut down all discussion before it even starts and actually considers things that get passed up the chain in Valve, allowing this kind of hate mob to reflexively attack people who bring up the bugs in Steam's client or try to suggest actual fixes to Steam or discuss bugs on any of its games are a big reason why most people don't bother even trying to suggest things any longer (which is, of course, the overt goal of the toxic fanboys), and those who do wade into here with hazmat suit on, ready to do combat with trolls like you.

Bethesda in its good days, as an example, would actively delete and ban people for complaining about people discussing bugs or bad game balance.

[Radene]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Radene님이 먼저 게시:

The only way to win the rat race is to not participate.

Then the only way to avoid all the bugs in Steam (and the toxic community members who say that all bug reports are meaningless, etc.) is to stop using Steam or buying games over it altogether. This is not a random occurrence in nature, this is a deliberate corporate strategy designed to bring about a specific response from users, and actively thinking about what that would be and why they are doing it is a basic element of defending one's own rights as a consumer.

To anyone who isn't an obsessive fanboy that tries to shut down all discussion before it even starts and actually considers things that get passed up the chain in Valve, allowing this kind of hate mob to reflexively attack people who bring up the bugs in Steam's client or try to suggest actual fixes to Steam or discuss bugs on any of its games are a big reason why most people don't bother even trying to suggest things any longer (which is, of course, the overt goal of the toxic fanboys), and those who do wade into here with hazmat suit on, ready to do combat with trolls like you.

Bethesda in its good days, as an example, would actively delete and ban people for complaining about people discussing bugs or bad game balance.

You're really using too many words for what you're saying, you know? I don't know who you learned rhetoric from, but you should deliver a swift kick up their hindquarters because for some reason they seem to have sold you on the idea that being more verbose means you have a stronger position.

It's simple. If you don't like what Steam is offering, you don't buy (into) it. And you let other people decide for themselves what they will do.

[Aachen]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Why thank you toxic Steam general forums user for once again living up to expectations, and instantly, reflexively attacking ....

You feel attacked?

.... whoever posts about problems, because obviously, people who report bugs are the problem, not the bugs ....

What bug are you reporting? Moreover, why are reporting bugs here—that’s not the purpose of this section.

Honestly, this reads like an everything-and-the-kitchen-sink rant thread, rather than either a suggestion or an idea.

“Stop doing what I don’t like” and “fix everything already” aren’t actionable ideas.

[Komrade]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Aachen님이 먼저 게시:

Just don’t participate in the event, if you’ve such strong feelings, I wit. :2018ship:

Why thank you toxic Steam general forums user for once again living up to expectations, and instantly, reflexively attacking whoever posts about problems, because obviously, people who report bugs are the problem, not the bugs. I will never get tired of watching you people work tirelessly to make the world a worse place.

It’s Christmas... lighten up. In no way was he toxic at all.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Summer and Winter events are Community driven.

And btw... The social aspect of Steam has been around since the beginning.

[Wraith_Magus]

Aachen님이 먼저 게시:

You feel attacked?

If you don't see the deliberate attempt to stifle any discussion here, you're willfully ignoring the "you're talking about problems, therefore you're wrong" attitude that pervades this entire forum.

Aachen님이 먼저 게시:

Honestly, this reads like an everything-and-the-kitchen-sink rant thread, rather than either a suggestion or an idea.

“Stop doing what I don’t like” and “fix everything already” aren’t actionable ideas. :spazdunno:

Then perhaps I should suggest instead of being labeled "Suggestions" the forum should be called "Suggestions and Feedback" if you want to be literal. This was where the thread where all the bug reports and complaints about the new library were forced, after all.

Most companies use some kind of customer feedback system for a reason, and most game studios in particular want to listen to feedback and read the negative reviews on their games because those are things from which to learn. Companies that actually want to improve in the eyes of their customers don't allow other people to attack those who leave negative reviews.

[Start_Running]

christmaS님이 먼저 게시:

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Why thank you toxic Steam general forums user for once again living up to expectations, and instantly, reflexively attacking whoever posts about problems, because obviously, people who report bugs are the problem, not the bugs. I will never get tired of watching you people work tirelessly to make the world a worse place.

It’s Christmas... lighten up. In no way was he toxic at all.

But he didn't agree with the OP. That's called 'being toxic'

[Komrade]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

christmaS님이 먼저 게시:

It’s Christmas... lighten up. In no way was he toxic at all.

But he didn't agree with the OP. That's called 'being toxic'

Ah...

[Radene]

Wraith_Magus님이 먼저 게시:

Most companies use some kind of customer feedback system for a reason, and most game studios in particular want to listen to feedback and read the negative reviews on their games because those are things from which to learn. Companies that actually want to improve in the eyes of their customers don't allow other people to attack those who leave negative reviews.

Yes, indeed. But you left out the part where those studios and companies don't act on every individual negative review. They don't go to the person who left it and grovel before them until that person is appeased; nor do they make policy and practice changes specifically to appease that one person.