@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 5:33
A partnership with adblock plus, and mozilla.
I try to avoid using the steam browser because ads make things slower, and decrease readability.

Would be great if big picture mode could run faster, and also the browser could load only useful information, in relation to what each user wants or not to see (ie deactivating images for text guides).

For mobile, theres a very simple version of firefox, and also a minimalistic version of the dolphin browser: could be useful to recycle their approach to allow fast browsing via steam.
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Gwarsbane 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 5:58 
What ads? The only one I get with the steam browser is the one popup window every now and then when I restart steam or exit a game which contains ads for games for steam which I can ignore and close down.

If you are getting ads for anywhere else other then steam you have an infection on your system and you need to clean it.

If you are talking about that one popup ad, why would Valve work with ad blocker to block an ad that they put in? That makes no sense.
Donna Pinciotti 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 6:03 
uhhh what ads do you mean?
BOA NOITE RICARDO 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 9:42 
what
999999999 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 9:53 
Use a normal browser for regular web browsing. If you have issues with ads, it is not Steam that is the issue.

BPM runs pretty well on even the oldest PC I have. Check to see if there are programs that interfere with Steam.

The mobile app update is still in the works.
Winged One 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 10:00 
given what the OP has posted, It appears he is reffering to the built in browser (you know, the one you can access through the overlay) not featuring adblock..


first, its not designed for casual web browsing in the first place (its meant for a quick "hmm, should look this up real fast").. Valve is very unlikely to allow third party browser add ons given how its intigrated with the Steam client in the first place..

while annoying, ad's don't really increase load time as much as you are making them out to..
999999999 2018 年 9 月 3 日 上午 10:04 
引用自 meperd0n as¿
yall mind commenting rip on my profile so people think i died?

No. Stop hijacking threads.

引用自 theseraph1
given what the OP has posted, It appears he is reffering to the built in browser (you know, the one you can access through the overlay) not featuring adblock..


first, its not designed for casual web browsing in the first place (its meant for a quick "hmm, should look this up real fast").. Valve is very unlikely to allow third party browser add ons given how its intigrated with the Steam client in the first place..

while annoying, ad's don't really increase load time as much as you are making them out to..

Client bloat is mostly frowned upon and users would complain. We all know that users can't deal with the amount of new stuff in the new UI as it is. lol
@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 1:41 
引用自 999999999
Use a normal browser for regular web browsing. If you have issues with ads, it is not Steam that is the issue.

I use a regular web browser, but thats not the point. The point, as i wrote before (and theseraph1 did noticed), is about the web browser that is integrated into steam and that you can easily access in big picture mode.

One of the ideas behind big picture mode is to allow players to easily "jump" from gaming to finding whatever they would need with the integrated browser. As i also wrote before, this doesnt work very well because both that browser and big picture mode run slower than the regular steam client window.

Another of the things that big picture mode is supposed to do is to make easier to use steam as a media managment plataform, so it could help steam machines work closer to proper consoles. without a bettter browsing experience there (both big picture mode and its web browser) is hard to feel like relying in those options.
最後修改者:@R+5; 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 1:42
cinedine 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 1:55 
Steam sells games. Games are reliant of internet sites or "influencers" to sell. And these are more or less reliant on ad revenue. So I don't see them ever offer official support for an adblocker.
GameStop and the like pretty much strong-arm publishers into binding the digital price to the physical one. It's not hard imagine what power a combination of games media would have.

Site note: don't use Adblock Plus. There are less morally bancrpt solutions available.
@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 theseraph1
while annoying, ad's don't really increase load time as much as you are making them out to..

They do, and affect a lot more browsing that what most people believe.

"Every little bit can slow down or freeze your browser."
https://phys.org/news/2015-09-ad-blockers-ads-bog-websites.html

"With ads hanging on the website we are loading data by creating more HTTP Connection to web server(s) which results in slow website loading speed."
http://yourravi.com/how-ads-slow-down-website-loading-speed/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLr8HE1_Xc


@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 2:33 
引用自 cinedine
Steam sells games. Games are reliant of internet sites or "influencers" to sell.

A influencer is not the same as an ad-network: they are called that, because they have "followers". you become a follower and increase the relevance of an influencer when you follow such person. It means you either trust their taste, opinion and the information they share.

An article about the good and negative sides of a game, already acts as proper publicity, unless its a sponsored article trying to hide the flaws. when i was younger i read gaming magazines, and cared little about ads: i tried to rent or buy the games with good reviews or which look interesting. Ads work as reminders of a product, but in this day and age, most are intrusive and worthless: you, i, and most people, will directly use a search engine to browse many products at once with very specific qualities. That, is what actually makes amazon, ebay, steam, sell a lot: people search what they want and see offers, and comments by users rather than sponsored bs (which sometimes also happens, but is too expensive to hire people to write good reviews to your own products, so very few small companies do that; those are usually chinese, and a few indie writers trying to increase the presence of a book in the results).

引用自 cinedine
There are less morally bancrpt solutions available.

Concrete examples?
... and why its "bancrpt "? imo pushing or taking information without consent and profiling users without explicit agreement is whats wrong (ie, expressing that without using a log contract that most people wont read because they know most people will find absurd to spend all that time trying to find the "small letters"). good publicity shouldnt rely in exploiting the ignorance of people: thats what devious religious groups usually do.
最後修改者:@R+5; 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 2:34
RiO 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 2:47 
引用自 @R+5
引用自 cinedine
There are less morally bancrpt solutions available.

Concrete examples?
... and why its "bancrpt "? imo pushing or taking information without consent and profiling users without explicit agreement is whats wrong

You're mis-understanding.
It's AdBlock Plus itself which is morally bankrupt.
AdBlock Plus presents itself as a service protecting users from ads and tracking; but meanwhile is on the take from several ad farms, giving them a special position on a white-list of allowed ads that the extension will not block.

Some of the more prominent among the less bankrupt solutions that are being referred to, are Pi-hole and uBlock Origin.


引用自 theseraph1
while annoying, ad's don't really increase load time as much as you are making them out to..

It very much depends on the ad delivery in question and on the actual volume.

A few simple ads alone are usually not that bad, though really bad ones can still add a second or so of processing. But scale that up and things get out of hand fast.

I've seen situations where ads and tracking had gotten to the point that it was adding upwards of 15 seconds of processing time before the first opportunity for the browser to paint output for the page.
最後修改者:RiO; 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 3:00
@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 3:12 
引用自 RiO
AdBlock Plus presents itself as a service protecting users from ads and tracking; but meanwhile is on the take from several ad farms, giving them a special position on a white-list of allowed ads that the extension will not block.

Yes, but only when users choose "allow some ads"; it actually "protects", because it works as a layer that block whatever the user chooses (i almost never see ads i dont care about: that will happen when i randomly watch tv). Adblock wont stop the ad network calls at website level, but i helps decreasing bandwidth consumption from not loading them. If you use it, you can also manually select pieces of code to block whatever you want, and that can help a lot to improve readability of a website. Also, i wouldnt consider them as morally bankrup as most ad networks from a simple reason: they as similar companies are trying to improve how to make less obstrusive, and intrusive, publicity so users can actually care for the products. And also, it is just a tool: there are other methods to stop ads that might be a bit more complicated for regular users, but more effective (like using another software to block dns connections to the servers of the ad-networks)

Each time you include something new to your wishlist in steam, and choose follow, you are teaching steam what genres and types of game you like: steam tracks all that, and checks what you own, and in relation to that it offers you different types of games in the home screen of the store. Thats also publicity: the one you actually choose, and which is useful to your taste. This is also how netflix works: whatever you watch, ad to your list, and so on, becomes part of your profile and netflix can offer you new things that you might actually like, unlike common ads.

intrusive publicity tactics cross-reference anything we do without our actual consent, and can be far worse than slowing down internet, or taking more from our bandwidth. To act indifferent to those facts, is actually becoming morally bankupt.
cinedine 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 7:16 
引用自 RiO
引用自 @R+5

Concrete examples?
... and why its "bancrpt "? imo pushing or taking information without consent and profiling users without explicit agreement is whats wrong

You're mis-understanding.
It's AdBlock Plus itself which is morally bankrupt.
AdBlock Plus presents itself as a service protecting users from ads and tracking; but meanwhile is on the take from several ad farms, giving them a special position on a white-list of allowed ads that the extension will not block.

Some of the more prominent among the less bankrupt solutions that are being referred to, are Pi-hole and uBlock Origin.

Exactly. In addition the company providing those double underlined ad-links is also affiliated with the people behind Adblock Plus and that was their solution to say "you depend on ads for your service and we block them? PAy money to get these unblockable ads".
Here's a pretty good article, though it's German:
https://www.mobilegeeks.de/adblock-plus-undercover-einblicke-in-ein-mafioeses-werbenetzwerk/


引用自 @R+5
引用自 cinedine
Steam sells games. Games are reliant of internet sites or "influencers" to sell.

A influencer is not the same as an ad-network: they are called that, because they have "followers". you become a follower and increase the relevance of an influencer when you follow such person. It means you either trust their taste, opinion and the information they share.

You are missing the last sentence: many of those, especially the media relies on ads. So a blanket adblock will hurt them.
And when Kotaku, RPS, PC Gamer, ... decide to no longer cover news about Steam or Steam exclusives, it will hurt Steam.
Not to mention that you block adverts publishers put a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money into.
最後修改者:cinedine; 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 7:17
@R+5 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 8:35 
i think this links could explain also why avoiding indifference towards abusive and anticonsumer practices by ad-networks is important, rather than be naive about them, and why things like adblock should be understood as tools rather than "saviors".

"Because Kogan's app was circulated via Facebook, it reaped far more than just the information on those who took the test. At the time, in 2015, such apps could scrape up all the personal details of not only the quiz-taker, but all their Facebook friends. That ultimately became a horde of data on some 50 million Facebook users—their personal information, their likes, their places, their pictures, and their networks. Marketers use such information to pitch cars, clothes, and vacations with targeted ads. It was used in earlier elections by candidates to identify potential supporters." https://phys.org/news/2018-03-psychometrics-facebook-trump-voters.html https://phys.org/news/2018-03-app-scapegoat-facebook-row.html https://phys.org/news/2018-03-uk-cambridge-analytica-facebook.html

old, but relevant.


long story short: the problem with intrusive ads and hidden trackers isnt only about making a worse user experience, or damaging internet, but about how the information they gather from taking advantage of the ignorance of people can and has been wrongfully used, because that is a big product from their perspective.
最後修改者:@R+5; 2018 年 9 月 3 日 下午 8:39
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