Will steam ever allow GIF as profile pics?

[Lucky Stralex]

I don't see any reason not to. It's kinda lame, even small forums allow GIFs as PPs and thims multi million-user platform does not.

[Count_Dandyman]

Small forums can more easily moderate users and deal with troublemakers while also not usually having rules as strict as Steam has.

[Lucky Stralex]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

Small forums can more easily moderate users and deal with troublemakers while also not usually having rules as strict as Steam has.

If a user wants to post obscene stuff he will regardless of the image baing JPEG or PNG or GIF.

I only honestly saw 1 obscene PP i don't think allowing GIFs will have everyone post porn on their profile.

[Crazy Tiger]

I hope not, they're usually annoying.

[Lucky Stralex]

patje.lol の投稿を引用：

I hope not, they're usually annoying.

Well that's your opinion. What if we came to a compromise and allowed an option to not see GIF profile pics?

[Count_Dandyman]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

Small forums can more easily moderate users and deal with troublemakers while also not usually having rules as strict as Steam has.

If a user wants to post obscene stuff he will regardless of the image baing JPEG or PNG or GIF.

I only honestly saw 1 obscene PP i don't think allowing GIFs will have everyone post porn on their profile.

A static image doesn't change so it doesn't spend 95% of its time being fine and allowed content and 5% being forbidden content Gif's on the other hand can.

Also you might want to look up the Steam rules there is more than just porn that is forbidden and sadly it is all to often we see users that insist on breaking those rules.

[The End]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Will steam ever allow GIF as profile pics?

Hope not, it's annoying to have, and it will 100% get abused in every way possible.

[Gwarsbane]

If you had used the search feature you have discovered that this has been asked many times and that there is pretty much no chance of it ever happening.

There is a 100% chance it will be abused. It takes long enough now to get just a static image that breaks the rules removed, it will take longer to get one that is animated. Instead of just looking at it and saying "yup that breaks the rules" they will have to sit there and watch it.

There are lots of idiots that will put seizure inducing gifs in and of course Valve would be blamed for allowing them in the first place and no there is no way to stop them other than not allowing animated stuff to begin with.

150+ million active accounts, 300+ million accounts in total. 400ish people who work at valve who are the only ones would could edit someones profile and most of them do not work support so would not be able to do that anyway.

But the biggest reason why this might never happen is because there are many games which no longer have developers attached to them that use the jpgs in their games and the animated gifs would actually break those games.

Course you would have discovered all this if you had used the search feature.

[cinedine]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

patje.lol の投稿を引用：

I hope not, they're usually annoying.

Well that's your opinion. What if we came to a compromise and allowed an option to not see GIF profile pics?

Here's the gist: what good is it to make something if you 99 % of users just opt out of it?
GIF avatars are annoying as ♥♥♥♥ and no game will ever support them, so what's the point?

[Lucky Stralex]

Count_Dandyman の投稿を引用：

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

If a user wants to post obscene stuff he will regardless of the image baing JPEG or PNG or GIF.

I only honestly saw 1 obscene PP i don't think allowing GIFs will have everyone post porn on their profile.

A static image doesn't change so it doesn't spend 95% of its time being fine and allowed content and 5% being forbidden content Gif's on the other hand can.

Also you might want to look up the Steam rules there is more than just porn that is forbidden and sadly it is all to often we see users that insist on breaking those rules.

Steam has a function to punish people for breaking rules right? So we will just prevent all users from using a certain tool that could be abused instead of properly punishing the ones that abuse it?
I guess we should remove all trading since it can be abused then.

Rockon の投稿を引用：

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Will steam ever allow GIF as profile pics?

Hope not, it's annoying to have, and it will 100% get abused in every way possible.

It being annoying is your opinion and it being "100% abused" is just some baseless exhaggeration you say just to try to make your opinion objective truth.
Many forums allow GIFs, and guess what you don't see a lot of people abusing the system.

Gwarsbane の投稿を引用：

If you had used the search feature you have discovered that this has been asked many times and that there is pretty much no chance of it ever happening.

There is a 100% chance it will be abused. It takes long enough now to get just a static image that breaks the rules removed, it will take longer to get one that is animated. Instead of just looking at it and saying "yup that breaks the rules" they will have to sit there and watch it.

There are lots of idiots that will put seizure inducing gifs in and of course Valve would be blamed for allowing them in the first place and no there is no way to stop them other than not allowing animated stuff to begin with.

150+ million active accounts, 300+ million accounts in total. 400ish people who work at valve who are the only ones would could edit someones profile and most of them do not work support so would not be able to do that anyway.

But the biggest reason why this might never happen is because there are many games which no longer have developers attached to them that use the jpgs in their games and the animated gifs would actually break those games.

Course you would have discovered all this if you had used the search feature.

So they will have to sit there and watch a series of images that rarely lasts more than 3 seconds if a proper file size limit is implemented. It does not sound like a massive loss of time to me.

The seizure-inducing gif argument is fallacious. As i answered to the other poster, by your logic we should completely remove trading as there are lots of scammers around.

If valve lacks the staff to properly moderate their multi-billion earning platform that's not my issue and that should not cut me away from using certain features that are considered normal in majority of the internet.

The argument of the game-breaking gif gets the same answer as the seizzure-inducing one.

I already used the search tool and i made a new post because i did not read any single valid argument against the enablement of gifs as profile pics. And i did not anwer on the older ones because there is something called thread necromancy and it's ususally taken as trolling.

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Well that's your opinion. What if we came to a compromise and allowed an option to not see GIF profile pics?

Here's the gist: what good is it to make something if you 99 % of users just opt out of it?
GIF avatars are annoying as ♥♥♥♥ and no game will ever support them, so what's the point?

Should we remove VR features? I'm fairly sure that a low percentage of steam user use those.
Clearly, those features are made for those that want to use them.

Not to mention the "99%" of users not using them is once again an exaggherated number you made up to back up your opinion as objective truth once again.

Thank you all for your understanding.

[The End]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Rockon の投稿を引用：

Hope not, it's annoying to have, and it will 100% get abused in every way possible.

and it being "100% abused" is just some baseless exhaggeration you say just to try to make your opinion objective truth.

Not at all, it's a fact it will get abused, just like every other feature on Steam has been over the years, you must be new to this community.

[Lucky Stralex]

Rockon の投稿を引用：

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

and it being "100% abused" is just some baseless exhaggeration you say just to try to make your opinion objective truth.

Not at all, it's a fact that it will get abused, you must be new to this community.

Your argument here is so weak that i won't bother answering you anymore.

[The End]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

Rockon の投稿を引用：

Not at all, it's a fact that it will get abused, you must be new to this community.

Your argument here is so weak that i won't bother answering you anymore.

I can see you have only been here 5years, I've been with Steam for 15years in just 18days.
No matter you like it or not, it's still fact, that it will get abused.

[Cassidy]

You’re forgetting about the people who don’t have unlimited bandwidth. GIFs take considerably more bandwidth than regular static images due to their bigger file size (more frames = more bandwidth wasted).

At least with profile artwork showcases, we can choose not to go to profiles while on limited data. Can’t really tell people to not go to forums, because many people come here to seek help for their technical issues.

So unless this is 100% optional and the default option is set to “static avatars”, I don’t see this happening.

[Lucky Stralex]

Aia愛雅 の投稿を引用：

You’re forgetting about the people who don’t have unlimited bandwidth. GIFs take considerably more bandwidth than regular static images due to their bigger file size (more frames = more bandwidth wasted).

At least with profile artwork showcases, we can choose not to go to profiles while on limited data. Can’t really tell people to not go to forums, because many people come here to seek help for their technical issues.

So unless this is 100% optional and the default option is set to “static avatars”, I don’t see this happening.

That is a good point, but i wonder what percentage of users would really end up in having these types of technical problems? Anyway the compromise seems to be fair for both sides and naturally gifs would have a file size limit to begin with. Nothing larger than 1 MB i would assume.
Even really simple gifs of 2-3 images would actually allow for a lot of customization.

[Gwarsbane]

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

So they will have to sit there and watch a series of images that rarely lasts more than 3 seconds if a proper file size limit is implemented. It does not sound like a massive loss of time to me.

In a later post you mention no bigger than 1 meg in size, do you even realize how long a 1 meg gif can be? Its just say its longer then 3 seconds depending on its size.

Also 3 seconds is 3 times longer than they need to determine if a static image breaks the rules.

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

The seizure-inducing gif argument is fallacious. As i answered to the other poster, by your logic we should completely remove trading as there are lots of scammers around.

Glad you think a legit medical issue is just a fallacious argument. It doesn't take long for a flashing image to trigger some one with epilepsy to have a seizure. Just seconds for them to lock onto it and not be able to look away from it.

Scammers and scams can be avoided, by sticking to just the one trade window. There is no need for steam people to go around trying to find them. That would be a waste of time. And once someone is scammed and the person is reported almost nothing is done. It takes a number of reports before someone gets trade banned and before that they have to be checked out.

A seizure inducing gif is something that has to be taken care of right away, its a drop everything and take care of it kind of thing because you are worried about the medical heath of someone. Because guess what, a seizure can actually kill someone, specially if there is no one else around to help them. Being scammed can't.

Even the 2 to 3 image ones (you suggest) can be used to cause issues for people.

And yes there are people who will post crap like that just to cause issues. I wonder if you heard about the case of a person intentionally sending a seizure inducing gif to another person knowing that they had photo sensitive epilepsy. https://www.cnet.com/news/kurt-eichenwald-twitter-epileptic-seizure-fbi-arrest/ (if you don't trust cnet, its easy enough to find info about it on google or some other search engine.)

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

If valve lacks the staff to properly moderate their multi-billion earning platform that's not my issue and that should not cut me away from using certain features that are considered normal in majority of the internet.

The argument of the game-breaking gif gets the same answer as the seizzure-inducing one.

Actually it is your issue if you like cheap games. The more people they need to hire to police the discussion areas the less money they make. The less they make means a higher chance that they have to take a bigger cut. If they take a bigger cut the devs more then likely raise their prices to take home the same amount they are taking now.

And interesting that you don't seem to care about games being broken because animated gifs were added in. I'm sure it would be a different issue if suddenly a game you enjoyed suddenly stopped running because it could not load an animated gif.

Giovanni Cena の投稿を引用：

I already used the search tool and i made a new post because i did not read any single valid argument against the enablement of gifs as profile pics. And i did not anwer on the older ones because there is something called thread necromancy and it's ususally taken as trolling.

You didn't see a single valid argument? Heck the "gif files can make some games unplayable" is more than enough of a valid argument. Potentially deadly seizure inducing gifs is more than enough of a valid argument. The size that they take up on the server is more than enough of a valid argument. It talking mods and steam admins far longer to determine if an animated image breaks the rules then a static image is more than enough of a valid argument.

Just because you don't see them as valid arguments doesn't mean they aren't. It just means you either didn't actually look or don't care about others.

And actually you can post to old threads be it 1 week old or 5 years old IF you are not spamming it and have something to add to the argument.