Shovelware filter

[BaronZen]

Just for remove those shovelwares that hide the really few good indie products, can you add this filter so we can tag shovelware games and not become crowded from them? Thank you!

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Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

" There is nothing that some group of people don't find entertaining.to some degree."

Then they don't need to be catered for then do they because they'll be happy with whatever they get. So we should cater to the people who would like a minimum quality level and every body will be happy then.

The same could be said for any group. People who like superhero movies don't need to be catered to. People who like mystrery novels don't need to be catered to. People who like FPS shooters don't need to be catered to. See how quickly that logic breaks down when applied objectively.

"For some people, and people can say the same bout AAA games."
Irrelevant.

Since the issue is shovelware and since what people consider shovelware varies, this is indeed relevant as it addresses the fact that what one person cosnsiders shovelware maybe someone else's niche darling.

SOme people out there actually like Adam Sandler movies I'm told.

"Some do... others might actually come back to it or keep playing."
This doesn't mean the game should be on steam. It just means that some people are not yet able to discern game quality and find good game. We'd be doing these people a favour by removing the rubbish from steam.

Steam is a store front. it's business is to sell people what they want, so why shouldn't they sell something that some people want?

As for Zonitron, it is exactly these kind of achievement spam asset flips that me and many other users are railing against but you seem to be happy to support all games.

I can agree that cheevo spammers are a blight but at the same time... the real problem is that people actually buy them.

[Winged One]

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

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no it is entirely subjective.. if there was a solid grading system for what makes a game enjoyable, so many AAA games would not amount to failures..


as an example, I see you played quite a bit of dead island.. to alot of people, that game is just as bad as the ones you are complaining about..

[MrL0G1C]

"The same could be said for any group. People who like superhero movies don't need to be catered to. People who like mystrery novels don't need to be catered to. People who like FPS shooters don't need to be catered to. See how quickly that logic breaks down when applied objectively."

You missed the point entirely, they don't need to be catered for because making rubbish games doesn't make any sense, there will still be games for them regardless, they won't be missing out.

[MrL0G1C]

Escrito originalmente por theseraph1:

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

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no it is entirely subjective.. if there was a solid grading system for what makes a game enjoyable, so many AAA games would not amount to failures..

as an example, I see you played quite a bit of dead island.. to alot of people, that game is just as bad as the ones you are complaining about..

Dead island has had tens of thousands of man hours put in to it, good indie games have had thousands of hours put in.

I don't think you understand what shovelware is.

[MrL0G1C]

Escrito originalmente por theseraph1:

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

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no it is entirely subjective.. if there was a solid grading system for what makes a game enjoyable, so many AAA games would not amount to failures..


as an example, I see you played quite a bit of dead island.. to alot of people, that game is just as bad as the ones you are complaining about..

Shovelware typically gets a handful of fake reviews (reviewers so desperate for free games that they'll call a square a circle) and sits there forever not getting 10 reviews because it so bad and when they eventually do garner 10+ reviews they are at best 'mixed' because there are always people who can't admit they bought a bad game or don't like to hurt the developers feelings or are just leaving stupid meme/joke reviews.

[Winged One]

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

You missed the point entirely, they don't need to be catered for because making rubbish games doesn't make any sense, there will still be games for them regardless, they won't be missing out.

they may not enjoy those games, because once again entertainment value is entirely subjective..

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

Escrito originalmente por theseraph1:

no it is entirely subjective.. if there was a solid grading system for what makes a game enjoyable, so many AAA games would not amount to failures..

as an example, I see you played quite a bit of dead island.. to alot of people, that game is just as bad as the ones you are complaining about..

Dead island has had tens of thousands of man hours put in to it, good indie games have had thousands of hours put in.

I don't think you understand what shovelware is.

shovelware is a term people use in place of "games i don't like".. and once again, there are people who would gladly take the kind of games you are complaining about over dead island becauser of their personal tastes



with entertainment, you can not predict how people will react because peoples tastes vary.. if good and bad had clear criteria, games that had millions of dollars put into them wouldn't fail while some games that took an hour to make being huge successes (games like Angry Birds or Candy Crush as an example were made in almost no time, but were hugely sucessful)..

for an example, there are a large subset of the gaming community that play mostly what you would personally find horrible because they make them laugh..




not everyone shares your views when it comes to entertainment, and if there was a grading system for entertainment quality there wouldn't be so many multi-million dollar products that become financial failures..

and without both those criteria being met, any attempt at "quality control" just comes down to personal taste.. there are certainly quite a few games you enjoyed that some peoplem view as "not worth being on the market"..

[MrL0G1C]

FML you really know how to completely miss the point don't you.

[MrL0G1C]

"shovelware is a term people use in place of "games i don't like"
No, it's called shovelware because it's being shovelled out which clearly implies that very little work is being done, so no, your statement is not correct.

[MrL0G1C]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware#Shovelware_video_games

Low-budget, poor-quality games, released in the hopes of being purchased by unsuspecting customers, are often referred to as "shovelware". This can lead to discoverability issues when a platform has no quality control. Several well-known examples were released for the Wii, including ports of PlayStation 2 games which had previously only been released in Europe made by Data Design Interactive.[5] The Slaughtering Grounds and other games by Digital Homicide Studios have also been called "prime examples" of shovelware.[6] 	

[BaronZen]

I don't want to polemize but i tried many times to go in all new releases tab and tried to filter out those 0.99 -2 bucks games (those that in my pov are shovelwares) which are like 99% of the items in every page, since i am interested in new released games if i try to filter from price i find games from 2015 not in order, if you can explain me how to clean the new releases tab so i don't need to lose time searching for games which had actually a work behind, i would be glad and happy to not bother anymore about shovelwares.

[MrL0G1C]

It's a false economy. Shovelware put people off of buying games on Steam, it doesn't matter whether or not there's a refund system in place, we don't all play games the day we buy them and we don't all close the game quickly.

Shovelware is typically $1 games and often they are also discounted most of the time. These games likely aren't actually making much money for Steam but they do detract from the experience of trying to buy good new games.

I've had exactly the same experience as the OP, I've tried to search new releases and given up after wading through too many pages of absolute barrel scraping fetid mess. How many millions of people have had this same experience?

Sure Valve manages to keep these games off of the front page of the Steam store, but that's not enough and this is probably costing Valve more money than it's making them due to lost sales, damage to 'goodwill' and a deterrent effect against more purchases.

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Escrito originalmente por Clownsanity:

I don't want to polemize but i tried many times to go in all new releases tab and tried to filter out those 0.99 -2 bucks games (those that in my pov are shovelwares) which are like 99% of the items in every page, since i am interested in new released games if i try to filter from price i find games from 2015 not in order, if you can explain me how to clean the new releases tab so i don't need to lose time searching for games which had actually a work behind, i would be glad and happy to not bother anymore about shovelwares.

You do realize you can sort those by user reviews and by price right, Highest to lowest. Did you try that?

And Wikipedia is not exactly the best source for definitions. I mean anyone can go and edit that definition.. Shovelware is also a rather old term that was used to describe the quagmire of thrid party applications that oem, and store bought computers tended to come pre-installed with, usually due to some referal program or deal.

You know the sort. Those apps that you basically either never use or wind up uninstalling first bootup. Many of them were not even easily uninstalled which is more or less where the phrase came from. You had to dig the damned things out of your system and registry.

Just ask anyone who wound up with bulldog antivirus software pre installed on a system. . ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing needed nothing short of a priest with a back-hoe to get rid of.

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Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

It's a false economy. Shovelware put people off of buying games on Steam, it doesn't matter whether or not there's a refund system in place, we don't all play games the day we buy them and we don't all close the game quickly.

Puts some people off, not all. You have to keep in mind that your preferences and opinions are not shared by every single person. As far as leaving a game running and racking up hours is completely at the fault of the user, Valve can't hold your hand for every single action. If one buys a game and chooses not to play it until 4 weeks after, that again is something the user decided to do. Valve has a refund policy set that has always been viewable to everyone.

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

Shovelware is typically $1 games and often they are also discounted most of the time. These games likely aren't actually making much money for Steam but they do detract from the experience of trying to buy good new games.

Since there is no actual definition of what shovelware is, I will quote the best answer that applies

Shovelware is derogatory computer jargon for software bundles noted more for the quantity of what is included than for the quality or usefulness.

This again is something that differs from person to person. If there is a game where it's only objective is to move a dot from one side of the screen to the other by hitting it with two blocks, some people will say it's shovelware, others will say it's Pong. So any $1 game you see on the store may or may not be considered shovelware.

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

I've had exactly the same experience as the OP, I've tried to search new releases and given up after wading through too many pages of absolute barrel scraping fetid mess. How many millions of people have had this same experience?

Interesting how I can browse the store and find games just fine, but others can't.

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

Sure Valve manages to keep these games off of the front page of the Steam store, but that's not enough and this is probably costing Valve more money than it's making them due to lost sales, damage to 'goodwill' and a deterrent effect against more purchases.

Well, nothing Valve does is ever good enough, i mean just browse through the other topics on the suggestion forum and it is clear as day that no matter what features Valve implements or removes, it is never good enough. Also, what is costing Valve money? From what things seem like, they're making money, not losing it.

[Satoru]

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware#Shovelware_video_games

Low-budget, poor-quality games, released in the hopes of being purchased by unsuspecting customers, are often referred to as "shovelware". This can lead to discoverability issues when a platform has no quality control. Several well-known examples were released for the Wii, including ports of PlayStation 2 games which had previously only been released in Europe made by Data Design Interactive.[5] The Slaughtering Grounds and other games by Digital Homicide Studios have also been called "prime examples" of shovelware.[6] 	

And again

1) I see zero actual objective criteria
2) ports of ps2 games are not “shovelware”
3) again”games I don’t like” are not shovelware either

I’m still eagerly waiting objective criteria for shovelware that again does not boil down to “I don’t like it”

And I still have seen anything about how a game is supposedly having ZERO entertainment value.

Would you consider Sexy Hiking to have zero entertainment value despite it having inspired Getting Over It. Yet that game seems to “check all your boxes” for a game that in theory has “zero entertainment value”

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Escrito originalmente por The Living Tribunal:

Escrito originalmente por MrL0G1C:

I've had exactly the same experience as the OP, I've tried to search new releases and given up after wading through too many pages of absolute barrel scraping fetid mess. How many millions of people have had this same experience?

Interesting how I can browse the store and find games just fine, but others can't.

You will notice moist of the complainers are just looking a\t new releases. Not so much searching for anything, just looking at whatever came in. Why they keep doing so after repeatedly not finding anything is beyond me. It's like walking down the beer aile expecting to find laundry detergent. I personaly never look past the New and trending, which generally yields better results.