Valve Anti-Cheat minus the Anti part

[Oceane]

Are you gonna do something about VAC any time soon or do you only care about the gold pile?
It's 2018 and Google already owns our privacy so for ♥♥♥♥ sakes include a scanner in VAC and up your game to get rid of all the cheaters.
Blizzard has already included a scanner in their anti cheat software, why are you 7 years behind?
EAC has scanned the users memory since release, why aren't you?

I mean comon, there is a reason E-Sport tournaments does not rely on VAC when even a scriptkiddie can compile an executable and start hacking undetectable.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

引用自 Farbror D：

You are blind my friend.
The reason why it's "slow" is because they make more money that way.

Please explain this. How does it make Valve more money to ban with delay?

It doesn't.
The reason why VAC works in a delayed way is to curb cheat development.

[El poco nuez del muerte]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

Please explain this. How does it make Valve more money to ban with delay?

It doesn't.
The reason why VAC works in a delayed way is to curb cheat development.

I know, I just wanted someone who makes that argument to explain how they come to that conclusion in the first place. But they never do.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

I know, I just wanted someone who makes that argument to explain how they come to that conclusion in the first place. But they never do.

The reasoning is as easy as it is wrong.

VAC delays the ban to catch lots of cheaters.
The banned users then go and rebuy the game.
Valve gets lots more money.
Rinse and repeat.

It's so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
-Presuposses cheaters largely rebuy the games they've been banned from, in large quantities and repeatedly.
-Ignores Valve has reduced the discounts of their own games to curb cheaters rebuying them (CSGO no longer is on sale beyond 50% off, Activision also rarely deep discounts their CoD titles)
-Ignores the bad publicity and sales lost due to people not wanting to buy a cheater infested game.
-Dismisses a good chunk of games using VAC are not developed by Valve (are all those devs and publishers like Activision part of the conspiracy too?)
-Let's not talk about the humongous PR fiasco that would become of such a plan being discovered...
-Let's ignore it's way easier and safer to simply do a sale to earn way more than a couple thousand game units.
And so on...

But conspiracy theories are as cool as they're wrong. Wearing a tinfoil hat is trendy.

[Xitreon]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 El poco nuez del muerte：

I know, I just wanted someone who makes that argument to explain how they come to that conclusion in the first place. But they never do.

The reasoning is as easy as it is wrong.

VAC delays the ban to catch lots of cheaters.
The banned users then go and rebuy the game.
Valve gets lots more money.
Rinse and repeat.

It's so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
-Presuposses cheaters largely rebuy the games they've been banned from, in large quantities and repeatedly.
-Ignores Valve has reduced the discounts of their own games to curb cheaters rebuying them (CSGO no longer is on sale beyond 50% off, Activision also rarely deep discounts their CoD titles)
-Ignores the bad publicity and sales lost due to people not wanting to buy a cheater infested game.
-Dismisses a good chunk of games using VAC are not developed by Valve (are all those devs and publishers like Activision part of the conspiracy too?)
-Let's not talk about the humongous PR fiasco that would become of such a plan being discovered...
-Let's ignore it's way easier and safer to simply do a sale to earn way more than a couple thousand game units.
And so on...

But conspiracy theories are as cool as they're wrong. Wearing a tinfoil hat is trendy.

You forgot drinking the kool-aid

[El poco nuez del muerte]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

The reasoning is as easy as it is wrong.

VAC delays the ban to catch lots of cheaters.
The banned users then go and rebuy the game.
Valve gets lots more money.
Rinse and repeat.

It's so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
-Presuposses cheaters largely rebuy the games they've been banned from, in large quantities and repeatedly.
-Ignores Valve has reduced the discounts of their own games to curb cheaters rebuying them (CSGO no longer is on sale beyond 50% off, Activision also rarely deep discounts their CoD titles)
-Ignores the bad publicity and sales lost due to people not wanting to buy a cheater infested game.
-Dismisses a good chunk of games using VAC are not developed by Valve (are all those devs and publishers like Activision part of the conspiracy too?)
-Let's not talk about the humongous PR fiasco that would become of such a plan being discovered...
-Let's ignore it's way easier and safer to simply do a sale to earn way more than a couple thousand game units.
And so on...

But conspiracy theories are as cool as they're wrong. Wearing a tinfoil hat is trendy.

I had wondered if that was going to be the OPs argument. It always seems to be along those lines, it is quite absurd reasoning.

[The Giving One]

引用自 Farbror D：

Are you gonna do something about VAC any time soon or do you only care about the gold pile?

Ah yes, the often seen "greedy GabeN" comment based on emotions and no facts whatsoever.

They lose more money due to the cheating and maintaining VAC than they make off of new sales of the games to cheaters on new accounts.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170518101403/http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33811431&postcount=36

Read your section 7 of your SSA again. They don't have to do anything whatsoever about the cheating if they did not wish to. But they are, and are doing quite alot.

And yet another "do something" thread won't really help with that situation either.

Does VAC work?

Reality: The simple fact is, for all intents and purposes VAC does work. Even community measured metrics show that[steamdb.info], relative to the growth of Steam and the popular games, so have the amount of cheat bans. The real number is likely even bigger.

For further discussion please see this thread:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/1621726179584501164/

[JFAP]

I have an idea to prevent hackers and cheaters from playing cs.
When a player is denounced this account is prevented from playing cs and to make skin changes until seen by the guard when seen by the guard and if you have hackers or cheats loses the account and all inventory if you do not have hackers or cheats the account comes back stay active and to compensate you gain a skin for not being hack or cheater and for the time that you had without playing.
and another thing there are many hackers who have many accounts to not have to buy the cs because when an account is 1 or 2 days without being used that account eliminated so they lose everything so they have to buy other games the steam game earns money like this just play who is not a hacker.

[JFAP]

eu tenho uma ideia pra impedir hackers e cheaters jogarem cs.
Quando um jogador for denunciado essa conta fica impedida de jogar cs e de fazer trocas de skins ate for visto pelo vigilante quando for visto pelo vigilante e se tiver hackers ou cheats perde a conta e todo inventario se nao tiver hackers ou cheats a conta volta a ficar ativa e para compensar ganha uma skin por nao ser hacke ou cheater e pelo tempo que teve sem jogar.
e outra cousa há muitos hackers que tem muitas contas pra não ter que comprar o cs porque que quando uma conta estiver 1 ou 2 dias sem ser utilizada essa conta eliminada assim eles perdem tudo assim eles tem que comprar outraves o jogo a steam ganha dinheiro assim só jogam quem ão é hacker.

[The Giving One]

引用自 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com：

I have an idea to prevent hackers and cheaters from playing cs.
When a player is denounced this account is prevented from playing cs and to make skin changes until seen by the guard when seen by the guard and if you have hackers or cheats loses the account and all inventory if you do not have hackers or cheats the account comes back stay active and to compensate you gain a skin for not being hack or cheater and for the time that you had without playing.
and another thing there are many hackers who have many accounts to not have to buy the cs because when an account is 1 or 2 days without being used that account eliminated so they lose everything so they have to buy other games the steam game earns money like this just play who is not a hacker.

That can get a bit into legal matters, where the user has made purchases with the accuont as in items like skins and other games. As far as the legally binding SSA goes, the user and Valve have an agreement that only that game can be banned from play.

Other SSA violations may result in a deactivation of the account though, as in having many, many bans. From what I have seen, this takes many bans before the account is suspended.

[JFAP]

but it was a tipio solution you were denounced your account was blocked until being seen by a vigilante and dissident if he is hacker or not I am vigilant I have already expelled many but there are players who play off line not to be banned

[The Giving One]

引用自 The Giving One：

Does VAC work?

Reality: The simple fact is, for all intents and purposes VAC does work. Even community measured metrics show that[steamdb.info], relative to the growth of Steam and the popular games, so have the amount of cheat bans. The real number is likely even bigger.

For further discussion please see this thread:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/1621726179584501164/

It's all being debunked and explained in this thread. The good Killahinstinct even suggested in that thread that we post that snipet in the commuinity, when we see these "do something, VAC is not working" threads, and hope that those posting such threads would come there to be properly informed on how all this works, instead of spreading more misinformation.

EDIT.........................

http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/1621726179584501164/?ctp=34#c1693785035812822033

Right there.

The post...........

引用自 KillahInstinct：

We have made this snippet so that people can use it and post it to the confused user so we can close the repetitive and incorrect threads and direct them a central topic on the matter.

[b]Does VAC work?[/b]

Reality: The simple fact is, for all intents and purposes VAC does work. Even community measured metrics [url=https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/]show that[/url], relative to the growth of Steam and the popular games, so have the amount of cheat bans. The real number is likely even bigger.

For further discussion please see this thread: 
http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/1621726179584501164/

So if anyone really wishes to be informed and not spread more misinformation and assumptions based only on emotions and not facts, they need to read that thread. At least the opening posts of it.

[Gwarsbane]

引用自 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com：

I have an idea to prevent hackers and cheaters from playing cs.
When a player is denounced this account is prevented from playing cs and to make skin changes until seen by the guard when seen by the guard and if you have hackers or cheats loses the account and all inventory if you do not have hackers or cheats the account comes back stay active and to compensate you gain a skin for not being hack or cheater and for the time that you had without playing.
and another thing there are many hackers who have many accounts to not have to buy the cs because when an account is 1 or 2 days without being used that account eliminated so they lose everything so they have to buy other games the steam game earns money like this just play who is not a hacker.

Every single thing you suggested here would land them in court being sued for a lot of money.


Someone loses their entire account, hundreds maybe thousands of dollars worth of games, maybe even more in items because their kid downloaded something a friend told them was something to make their game run better.

What about someone who goes a way for a weekend or a week, or is not feeling well and doesn't even turn on their computer for a day or 2.... they lose their account, all the games they bought with their hard earned cash.

These suggestions will never happen.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com：

I have an idea to prevent hackers and cheaters from playing cs.
When a player is denounced this account is prevented from playing cs and to make skin changes until seen by the guard when seen by the guard and if you have hackers or cheats loses the account and all inventory if you do not have hackers or cheats the account comes back stay active and to compensate you gain a skin for not being hack or cheater and for the time that you had without playing.

I'm going to report you so now you can't play CSGO until your report is manually reviewed.
Oh, you weren't a cheater? Doesn't matter you've been unable to play while I laughed at you not playing.

Also... Me and my non-cheater friends are going to report us to be found non cheaters and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

引用自 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com：

Iand another thing there are many hackers who have many accounts to not have to buy the cs because when an account is 1 or 2 days without being used that account eliminated so they lose everything so they have to buy other games the steam game earns money like this just play who is not a hacker.

You know who also owns an account with just one or two games? New Steam users.

[Unexpected]

i find it ironic how the OP complains about VAC not doing its job yet it worked on him