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Dump PCGamer as a Curator
http://store.steampowered.com/curator/1850-PC-Gamer/#browse

764 "Recommended" Reviews
0 (Zero) "Not Recommended"

What a sham. And yet they set at the top of the list of "curators". However, PCGamer is not part of the community. They're a marketing and advertising rag. Curators should be "community" people that give honest reviews. If a AAA game is released by EA and it completely sucks, a Curator shouldn't be in the position of losing advertising dollars by telling the truth. Curators should be deserving of some level of trust - exhibiting objectivity that isn't contingent on quarterly financial analysis.

I look at the other list of curators and, for the most part, it's a respectable list. But having PCGamer included and reprehensibly setting at the top, is absurd.

"Steam Curators are individuals or organizations that make recommendations to help others discover interesting games in the Steam catalog." -Steam

My suggestion is to completely remove any corporate-related influence from Steam's community-driven content. Let the gamers retain their autonomy. Corporate influence via marketing and social media is already completely out of control. And, for a community-driven platform, Steam should make every effort to keep it honest.

EDIT:

Go look at the reviews for Extinction:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/570710/Extinction/

The game is complete♥♥♥♥♥♥ Like a royal, steaming pile with a current rating of "Mostly Negative". If you read the (curretly 36) reviews, you'll see that every single review is negative except for two. Those two positive reviews?... both got the game for free.

Now it's one thing to blast these two reviewers as "♥♥♥♥♥s of the industry", but it's absolutely possible that they really did like the game. And that's perfectly fine. Whatever their reasons for marking "Recommended" on an overwhelmingly terrible game, these reviewers are just players. They're not an organization capable of weilding influence both socially and financially over the community. I can disregard their review and remain unaffected by their influence. And their horrible taste in games will lower their standing in the Steam community.

However, it takes vastly more to diminish the influence of a corporation-type entity. Consider Comcast.
Отредактировано Eat The Rich.; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 13:17
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I personally don't bother curating games that I don't like.

1) It makes it harder to pick out decent games on the page
2) Why raise awareness for a bad game

But that depends on the person. I don't know if he just spams or legitimately likes 764 games. I won't know unless I inspect what kind of games he curates.

I go agree that some curators spam a bit too much. To a point where you might as well curate eveything that comes out. That is not very helpful in my opinion
Отредактировано American Dove Mitten; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 13:11
Автор сообщения: Sorokonojka
I don't know if he just spams or legitimately likes 764 games. I won't know unless I inspect what kind of games he curates.

PCGamer isn't a "person". It's literally PCGamer, owned by Imagine Media.
There is a link on the front page to "Ignore this curator". If you don't see it there, I don't get your problem as you are free to completely ignore them.
Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
Автор сообщения: Sorokonojka
I don't know if he just spams or legitimately likes 764 games. I won't know unless I inspect what kind of games he curates.

PCGamer isn't a "person". It's literally PCGamer, owned by Imagine Media.

There are a lot of community groups based on outside sources. Curator pages can include one or more individuals. It is not wrong in itself to be a part of a group like that. At the end of the day, you just have to follow who you trust. Although I admit that many curators devolved into spam machines because you can get more followers. And more followers=more review copies.

These days I find broken games with 6 big curator recommendations. Why? They often don't play the games. "Just raise awareness for them"
Отредактировано American Dove Mitten; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 13:21
Автор сообщения: cinedine
There is a link on the front page to "Ignore this curator". If you don't see it there, I don't get your problem as you are free to completely ignore them.

Sure, I can ignore them on my page. But, I cannot remain unaffected by their influence on Steam.

Consider this:

Comcast becomes a curator, or more realistically, EA buys PCGamer. Or, maybe Imagine Media and EA join forces and now PCGamer is under EA's corporate umbrella. I hope you can see how this would be bad for the Steam community. So, simply hitting "Ignore" isn't enough because they still wield heavy influence on what is supposed to be a community-driven platform. Keeping corporate influence out of the review process is the only way to maintain the integrity of the reviews. And giving corporations a platform (curator) to further their influence is an exceptionally bad idea.
Отредактировано Eat The Rich.; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 13:48
Just don't follow PC Gamer's curator page. I don't like their reviews, OR their articles. They spread "information" ignorant of the truth, ie. their article "How Japan learned to love PC gaming again": http://www.j-ga.me/s/opinion-how-japan-never-learned-to-love-pc-gaming-again-part-1/ (reply article) Though I don'tthink they should be dropped, I think people should just unfollow them if they are already and are unhappy with them. Free Market.
Отредактировано dynastystar; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 14:29
OP.
FOr starters
There is a limit on the number of items a curator can curate I think it's like 1000. So many choose to prioritize highlighting games trhey like, over trash-talking games they don't.

You can also ignore a curator. There are literally hundreds of them on Steam..
Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
Keeping corporate influence out of the review process is the only way to maintain the integrity of the reviews.

Did you honestly just tried to colour "user"-reviews as integer?
And - surprise! - corporations with big money are already the opinion makers.

... boy, you must hate HumbleStore now.
I appreciate the comments. Yes, I'm aware there is an ignore button.

Lets approach this in a different way. And I'll charge forward with my ISP examples:

Several cities in the US have listened to their citizen's complaints about their ISPs and created municipalities. These are, by definition, community driven (funded, whatever). People are sick of having their content controlled, throttled, and bottle-fed to them via high prices and limited choices. These ISPs are corporations. And Steam is much like a municipality. I know you know all this, but bear with me...

If I am forced to use a corporate ISP because I have no community funded internet, I'm subjected to whatever influence they wield. My content is molded, throttled, an influenced by the service provider.

I realize Steam is not Comcast (duh). However, by allowing corporations to infiltrate a user-driven community, it shifts influence away from the gamers. So, even though I can just hit ignore and move on with my life, PCGamer currently has over half a million subscribers and is the largest curator on Steam. My issue isn't with PCGamer, it's with Steam allowing them in here as a curator. I'm happy to see guys like Total Biscuit setting at the top, who's popularity was community-driven because it's organic. He's not representing stockholder's financial interests.

I say let the gamer mags and corporations advertise and influence on their own websites and keep Steam as it should be - a community that belongs to gamers, influenced by gamers. I can't imagine anyone on these boards disagreeing with my suggestion. I realize it's the "thing" to be contrarian on the internet. But, I hope people will will read this and really consider what an amazing thing Steam is, and what a travesty it would be to have corporations gain control.
Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
what a travesty it would be to have corporations gain control.
A corporation is literally in control. Valve is a multi-billion-dollar corporation. This is a corporate platform, and to pretend that the community "belongs to gamers" is to participate in a marketing exercise (indeed, to invent one, of your own volition) on behalf of said corporation.

People are sick of having their content controlled
And yet your solution is... to control content?

If people find they like the recommendations made by PCG (or any other commercial interest, including Total Biscuit), if they find Steam better for being able to have those recommendations show up in the store, then we are not improving Steam by taking that ability away from them.

The PC Gamer writers are just people who get paid to talk about games. Same as Biscuit Dude, they get paid because people like what they do. There's nothing wrong with that.
Отредактировано Gus the Crocodile; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 16:37
I'm not here to argue with the community. I've said my piece. Keeping corporate influence out of the community is the right thing to do. I don't need McDonalds telling me they make the best burgers. I don't need EA telling me "it's in the game". I don't need PCGamer telling me what games to play. Steam isn't a platform for coporate interests - it's a community of gamers.

If you think writers for rags don't cater their reviews to serve their advertisers, you are delusional. You can't trust someone whose job is to write reviews. Because the corporation they work for has to keep the lights on. And they don't do that without sponsors. However, I will trust (or at least consider) the opinion of someone who has nothing to lose or gain by giving their honest opinion. This is what makes Steam so fantastic - other than the content delivery. And allowing corporate influence into the community dialogue diminishes the authenticity of the platform. And most people aren't even aware of how their opinions and ultimately their purchases are being influenced by corporate interests. If Steam blocked corporate influence from their reviews, the integrity of the community would remain intact. If Steam doesn't, it won't.
Отредактировано Eat The Rich.; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 16:54
Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
I don't need PCGamer telling me what games to play.
Well good, because nobody's asking you to subscribe to the PC Gamer curator. This isn't about "need", it's about want. Some people want to be able to hear from PC Gamer (etc) through Steam. You and I don't have to be among them.

Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
If you think writers for rags don't cater their reviews to serve their advertisers, you are delusional.
Reaching for insults in place of evidence doesn't seem like a great idea for someone giving advice on trust.
So its bad when corporations restrict content but OK when you want to do it?
Its bad for a publisher to earn revenue from advertising but OK when your favourite youtuber does?

FYI, the PC gamer that gets sold in the US is an abridged version of the parent UK one that getsdistributed to the rest of the world - its an expensive glossy mag with less adverts and more content. (ie. it relies on its readers (aka a community) more than its advertisers)

This, coupled with your dislike of other American companies such as this "Comcast" would indicate your problems lie with American culture rather than anything else.

Автор сообщения: Gus the Crocodile
Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
I don't need PCGamer telling me what games to play.
Well good, because nobody's asking you to subscribe to the PC Gamer curator. This isn't about "need", it's about want. Some people want to be able to hear from PC Gamer (etc) through Steam. You and I don't have to be among them.

Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
If you think writers for rags don't cater their reviews to serve their advertisers, you are delusional.
Reaching for insults in place of evidence doesn't seem like a great idea for someone giving advice on trust.

Didn't mean to come across insulting. And I said several times already that the "ignore" button isn't enough. The influence is still present whether users ignore it or not - it's existense on Steam carries corporate influence.

You have the last word. I'm not here to convince you, personally. You like them here. Fine. You're wrong, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. My hope is that someone with some actual pull will read my post and consider its merit.
Media is all around us. You cannot have a "community driven" anything without influence. Even your reasoning is influenced by them.

And Valve is a billion dollar *corporation*. They are not the nice guy next door. They are a business and have lots of syndication going on. You might have noticed the news articles of 'Rock, Paper, Shotgun', Kotaku, and ... PCGamer. They are in lieu with big publishers to get their games onto their platform.

Even if you ban them from Steam. Where do you think most people get their information from? Few curators actively seek out games and go through the store. There are no underdog success stories coming from the community. As soon as a game rises above, it will be picked up by media and popularity explodes.

Автор сообщения: Blind Potato
My hope is that someone with some actual pull will read my post and consider its merit.

Your whole arguement is "I don't like it". Not very convincing if you put it agaisnthalf a million followers.

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OH, and the whole TotalBiscuit thing: you do know he is also running a business? He is probably one of the most open about it. CynicalBrit and Cooptional are marketed brands. He does brand deals. He is taking money from big business and "corporations". For ♥♥♥♥♥ sake, people like him are called "influencers" in marketing and "corporations" go head over heels to please them if it fits their marketing campaign.
Отредактировано cinedine; 10 апр. 2018 г. в 17:12
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