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Smurf de aralto 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 7:19
ANTI CHEATER STEAM
Steam grande desse jeito, com milhares de jogos e jogadores não consegue criar um anti hack melhor ou escolher alguma plataforma que seja mais eficiente..... vários jogos todos com hack descarados. Tudo bem que os hackers são banidos mas na mesma hora criam outra conta e utilizam novamente. Os jogos perdem a graça.
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Gwarsbane 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 7:22 
If you play a game that does not have any kind of anti-cheat in it, blame the developers of the game, they are the ones responsible for including an anti cheat in it.


Now for my regular copy and paste post to "stop hackers" rants.

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

First Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.
Gwarsbane 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 7:24 
And just so you know, banning by IP or hardware ID does nothing because both can be changed within seconds. There is no way to stop cheaters from making a new account.
引用自 Gwarsbane
hardware ID does nothing because both can be changed within seconds. There is no way to stop cheaters from making a new account.
apex legends hardware ban (or how ever they've been doing it has been working for the most part). Hardware bans is probably not the best way of going about things but neither is the other methods going about banning people ether. As those cheaters have had a hard time with it since any account they have made using that same computer/hardware has been flagged fast and banned, people have tried a lot of different ways to get around it and not having good luck with it.

For now it seems better than VAC banning people since they can make a new account and buy the game over again and with how Valve/Steam works and these cheaters and scammers work they make that money back easily and keep doing it.
Gwarsbane 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:22 
Something tells me Epic will not tell Valve how its done, and I doubt Valve would put it into effect if it is some sort of hardware ban because they know if they ban someone using it they pretty much ban everyone on that computer.

So just imagine if you have 1 system in the house, and your kid bother gets a mod that activates the ban cause it had an unknown cheat in it. You get banned, your parents get banned, he gets banned. That doesn't seem fair to me.

And imagine what happens once people start upgrading their systems and sell off their old parts to other people who then get banned without even doing anything.
最后由 Gwarsbane 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 23 日 下午 10:23
As I said it's not the best ideal way of doing thing as much as the next ban system but seems to work for them for now, they all have their ups and down and some are just garbage (mostly f2p game anti cheat).

I personally have no problem when it comes down to most if not all anti cheat (or those that give out bans) because I know they are not 100% like a lot of other users think it is and complain when someone cheats in-game and doesn't realize that the system needs to be able to pin point <that cheat> and determine what it's doing and place a ban on that account.

引用自 Gwarsbane
So just imagine if you have 1 system in the house, and your kid bother gets a mod that activates the ban cause it had an unknown cheat in it. You get banned, your parents get banned, he gets banned. That doesn't seem fair to me.
Ofc it is not fair but that is how it goes. I did say it's not a perfect system and it will have it's bad effect on those house holds that can not afford a personal computer for each individual living in that house but that is all so what rules and monitoring is for (and yes I now you can't watch the computer 24/7).

But I do see where you are coming from with hardware bans.
-Diavelsouls- 2019 年 4 月 24 日 上午 2:49 
To be honest we should blame the developers or each game if there is a hackers or cheaters..i might think the developers create this hacking system for them to sell and get money since we download and install the game for free..i would like to say this gaming with hacking we shouldn’t play anymore never support them for this game..im done with cs go and apex legend
Gwarsbane 2019 年 4 月 24 日 上午 6:30 
Oh and there is also the fact that many people had their accounts hacked on epic, (and on steam) and people cheated while on those accounts, and received bans and those bans were not removed after the people got their accounts back.

So I don't think its fair that a whole computer gets banned because of something like that.



引用自 -Diavelsouls-
To be honest we should blame the developers or each game if there is a hackers or cheaters..i might think the developers create this hacking system for them to sell and get money since we download and install the game for free..i would like to say this gaming with hacking we shouldn’t play anymore never support them for this game..im done with cs go and apex legend

There is no possible way to make a game perfectly secure so you can't blame them just because there are cheats. If they don't try to do anything against those cheats, then you can blame them, but if they are trying to stop the cheats, well its not their fault.

Remember this simple saying when it comes to programs and games. If it can be programmed, it can be hacked.
ObsidianFox 2022 年 11 月 21 日 下午 2:33 
I saw a couple videos where people were using an aim-bot devices they plug into their mouse to cheat in FPS games and another where there was a computer that was connected to another computer and the cheats would run on one pc and the game would run on the other making it impossible to detecting cheating software since it doesn't exist on that pc but what if anti-cheat developers and other companies added stuff like a firmware update for their mice where the mouse would not work if anything other than a certain cable was connected to it and if anti-cheat could scan to see if your pc is remotely connected to anything than the game would not launch. just an idea.
Gwarsbane 2022 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:06 
引用自 Zoey
I saw a couple videos where people were using an aim-bot devices they plug into their mouse to cheat in FPS games and another where there was a computer that was connected to another computer and the cheats would run on one pc and the game would run on the other making it impossible to detecting cheating software since it doesn't exist on that pc but what if anti-cheat developers and other companies added stuff like a firmware update for their mice where the mouse would not work if anything other than a certain cable was connected to it and if anti-cheat could scan to see if your pc is remotely connected to anything than the game would not launch. just an idea.

Because there is literally 10s of thousands of different mice and most of them do not have firmware on them because they don't receive any information from the computer.

And then you would also have cheaters hacking the firmware of the mice and you would be back to square one. How do I know this will happen? Just look at the anti-mining firmware that was included in video cards... it didn't last long.

As for only working if it only has X cable... will never happen. So many mice have wires in them, that can easily be removed and spliced into a new wire. There are also wireless mice that can be run with a wire, they just need a specific connection. Again there are 10s of thousands of different mice out there and there is no possible way for the anti-cheat makers to check everything. You would also be trying to force people to buy another cable just to play.

Also anti-cheat companies don't add firmware for hardware they don't make. All your ideas would do is waste peoples time and money and within a week you're be back at square one again with just as many cheaters.


Just remember this, if it can be programmed it can be hacked.
76561199418627359 2022 年 11 月 24 日 上午 6:32 
This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.
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