lynn 9 ENE 2018 a las 3:04 a. m.
A New Type of anticheat for valve games such as csgo.
Cheaters are everywhere nowerdays and VAC seems to not be doing so well as its a non entrucive program. However i think there should be a option to turn on Entrucive mode.This means VAC will scan your system whenever you are reported or on a weekly basis.This means people who select this entrucive mode play with other people who selected that. So that will elimintate all hackers exept the ones valve havent noticed yet , which can easily be sorted with access to the hackers files.

Prime isnt good enough , people can just buy new prime accounts for arouond 15$ (12.5£) and dont get me started on how biased trust factor can be.


This would make the people that are more concerned about their "important" files not use it , but they can allways store them on a external hard drive that isnt connected to the pc when you use it.

Also the New Entrucive VAC should not be accessable by anyone apart from the top teir of steam admins who can see running programs of the people who are reported alot.
This would help everyone who cares about the game.
Not only on csgo on many valve games such as Dota and TF2 can use this system as well and it would work fine.



PLEZ XD
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lynn 9 ENE 2018 a las 3:04 a. m. 
very yes
Tito Shivan 9 ENE 2018 a las 4:12 a. m. 
VAC once dared to look for the DNS of a well known cheat DRM service.
People threw such a big tantrum about it that VAC had to stop doing that and Gabe Newell himself had to make a public statement about it.

Besides VAC already scans more frequent and throughly the users that have been reported for cheating.
Eldin 9 ENE 2018 a las 4:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
VAC once dared to look for the DNS of a well known cheat DRM service.
People threw such a big tantrum about it that VAC had to stop doing that and Gabe Newell himself had to make a public statement about it.

Besides VAC already scans more frequent and throughly the users that have been reported for cheating.
I wouldn't mind having anticheat that actively scans hard disk and running processes for any suspicious programs if that means that I'll play only with people who have that same anticheat installed.

If you make it optional so only people who choose to install it will play with other people who have it installed. And people who don't want it will play with other people that don't have it.

I don't see an any problem here then
Xitreon 9 ENE 2018 a las 5:34 a. m. 
https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Looking at these statistics I'd say VAC is doing fairly well. Considering the limitations it has

Also I'm not sure if you knew this, but VAC bans are delayed for a reason
Eldin 9 ENE 2018 a las 6:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Xitreon:
https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Looking at these statistics I'd say VAC is doing fairly well. Considering the limitations it has

Also I'm not sure if you knew this, but VAC bans are delayed for a reason
Yes, VAC is great anticheat.
But still, it's almost impossible to detect all cheats with limited access to OS.

We need just a simple switch that will allow VAC access to everything and can detect any running program.
So users who are considered about their privacy can keep it off and continue using it as is it now.
Users who enable it can enjoy 100% cheaters free gaming.
Gwarsbane 9 ENE 2018 a las 6:10 a. m. 
I've used software that actively scans hard drives... its a pain in the butt because you get more false positives, and slows down the system you are scanning. Other anti-cheat software and DRM from other programs also didn't mesh well. I had to uninstall some programs just to get others working and vise versa.

No what VAC does now is just fine.


With that said, my usual copy and paste comment.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

First Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.
Start_Running 9 ENE 2018 a las 6:15 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Eldin:
Publicado originalmente por Xitreon:
https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Looking at these statistics I'd say VAC is doing fairly well. Considering the limitations it has

Also I'm not sure if you knew this, but VAC bans are delayed for a reason
Yes, VAC is great anticheat.
But still, it's almost impossible to detect all cheats with limited access to OS.
Even with access to the OS . The reason Anti-Cheat is a problem is quite simply because its an arms race. THere is no lock that people cannot pick or work around.

We need just a simple switch that will allow VAC access to everything and can detect any running program.
And then what. A hack can spoof the id of another program. The hack can also conversely detect when a scan is underway and hide itself. Knowing a program is running and knowing what its doing are two different things.

The Giving One 9 ENE 2018 a las 6:27 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Earth Chan:
Cheaters are everywhere nowerdays and VAC seems to not be doing so well as its a non entrucive program.
http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/?fp=4

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/?fp=5

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/?fp=6

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/?fp=12

........and on and on, as far back as you wish to go.

Seems to be working just fine. It just does not work the way many wish it did.

Publicado originalmente por Earth Chan:
This means VAC will scan your system whenever you are reported or on a weekly basis.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1010-TOKN-8461

Note:

VAC does not ban based on reports. Such data is only used for tracking and statistics purposes.

EDIT..and the forum is getting hammered as I make this edit with new posts of users complaining about their accounts being VAC banned. Almost faster than the moderators can lock them. So again, VAC works perfectly fine, just exactly as intended.

We don't need a new anticheat.

What is needed is for people to stop cheating, and downloading cheats from sites that keep developing them. The anticheat is not the problem, as the people doing the cheating is.

You cannot fix a human's broken moral compass with any anticheat. That is not possible, as there will always be cheating. It's the very definition of "anti" as in "anticheat".

The cheating comes before the anticheat.

EDIT 2......................

VAC forum only goes back to 120 pages......

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/?fp=120

And at the time of my edit here, that date on that very last thread was/is January 2 of this year. Look at the dates of the threads. Hundreds of banned accounts, in only a few days.
So as you can see, VAC works perfectly fine, just exactly as intended.
Última edición por The Giving One; 9 ENE 2018 a las 12:30 p. m.
JPMcMillen 9 ENE 2018 a las 12:14 p. m. 
Unfortunately there really isn't currently any reasonable way to stop cheating in online games. There are only two things that come to mind and neither are feasible solutions at this time.

One would be to only allow people to play on competitive servers who have a verified account. And I'm not talking about a phone number, but some way for Valve to magicly link a Steam account to specific real world person. At this time, various privacy laws from every country Vavle does business in prevents anything like this from happening.

The other would involve a complete change in how the OS's handle software. Like being able to run programs in some sort of protected mode that can't be accessed or tampered with by 3rd party software. It would also probably require keeping people from accessing the source code so they couldn't examine it looking for vulnerabilities. Admitadly, this would make them more like consoles, smartphones, or tablets where you normally can't install unapproved software without jailbreaking the device. So I really don't see this happening any time soon.
SPAID 9 ENE 2018 a las 12:21 p. m. 
its all fine but losing a rank due to smurfs and cheaters is naot fair for people who dont cheat and enjoy the game willing to spend money on skins
Eldin 9 ENE 2018 a las 1:56 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JPMcMillen:
One would be to only allow people to play on competitive servers who have a verified account. And I'm not talking about a phone number, but some way for Valve to magicly link a Steam account to specific real world person. At this time, various privacy laws from every country Vavle does business in prevents anything like this from happening.
I think there's no such law in my country.
If someone know, can you please explain to me what would be a problem if for example requirement to get verified account is to send picture of yourself holding your ID card or passport to Steam? And then steam employees can verify that's you and verify your Steam account.

I don't know about other countries laws, but I think this shouldn't be a big problem?
Última edición por Eldin; 9 ENE 2018 a las 1:57 p. m.
JPMcMillen 9 ENE 2018 a las 2:04 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Eldin:
Publicado originalmente por JPMcMillen:
One would be to only allow people to play on competitive servers who have a verified account. And I'm not talking about a phone number, but some way for Valve to magicly link a Steam account to specific real world person. At this time, various privacy laws from every country Vavle does business in prevents anything like this from happening.
I think there's no such law in my country.
If someone know, can you please explain to me what would be a problem if for example requirement to get verified account is to send picture of yourself holding your ID card or passport to Steam? And then steam employees can verify that's you and verify your Steam account.

I don't know about other countess laws, but I think this shouldn't be a big problem?

The problem is that pictures can be altered and Valve would need some way to verify the information with your government. Most governments don't have any kind of procedure in place for companies to check such information, in fact many dislike the fact that private companies have certain personal information on their citizens already. So it won't be happening any time soon, especially since you'd need most of the major world goverments to all be on board or you'd have no significant verified player base.
76561198001062896 9 ENE 2018 a las 9:34 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Eldin:
Publicado originalmente por JPMcMillen:
One would be to only allow people to play on competitive servers who have a verified account. And I'm not talking about a phone number, but some way for Valve to magicly link a Steam account to specific real world person. At this time, various privacy laws from every country Vavle does business in prevents anything like this from happening.
I think there's no such law in my country.
If someone know, can you please explain to me what would be a problem if for example requirement to get verified account is to send picture of yourself holding your ID card or passport to Steam? And then steam employees can verify that's you and verify your Steam account.

I don't know about other countries laws, but I think this shouldn't be a big problem?


I dont trust neither Valve or other businesses with such info

Secondly as others said you have no way to verify the person on the image is who he/she claims to be
lynn 10 ENE 2018 a las 12:59 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Xitreon:
https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Looking at these statistics I'd say VAC is doing fairly well. Considering the limitations it has

Also I'm not sure if you knew this, but VAC bans are delayed for a reason
This is probably because after VAC detects a cheat people will overwatch as well to double check. Overwatching wont be nessesary (but still can be there) after the entrucive VAC is added.
The Giving One 10 ENE 2018 a las 1:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Earth Chan:
This is probably because after VAC detects a cheat people will overwatch as well to double check. Overwatching wont be nessesary (but still can be there) after the entrucive VAC is added.
No, when both systems are involved, Overwatch bans the account first, but a game ban is not applied.

Then later, a VAC ban is applied on the account. This is seen often in the VAC discussion forum.

If the ban in the game profile shows as an Overwatch ban, and there is not a game ban applied on the Steam profile at that time, then later a VAC ban is applied, as in this exact case scenario, both systems caught the account cheating.

The VAC ban simply takes priority over that in-game Overwatch ban, as an account does not need two bans for one game.
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