Aemony 2017 年 4 月 9 日 上午 11:35
[Steam Community] Use Markdown instead of BBCode
BBCode is friggin horrible to write in. Steam's Communities really need to support Markdown, which is the modern way of formatting stuff online, used by Reddit, Discord and other services and applications.

So my suggestion would be to investigate if Markdown can be implemented alongside BBCode, or if BBCode can be easily converted to Markdown, and then run with Markdown and shut BBCode down already.
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Aemony 2018 年 12 月 26 日 下午 2:43 
The new Steam Chat throws a wrench into the damn mix.

/spoiler is for [spoiler] spoiler tagging [/spoiler]

/quote is for [quote] quoting [/quote]

/pre and /code is for [code] code stuff [/code] , with the difference of /code colorizing, while /pre does not.

None of these can be nested, nor can they be used inline... And the chat doesn't even support basic formatting such as bold, italics, etc...

Why not just implement Markdown in the chat since it's already trying so hard to be a Discord clone? That would've been a good entry-point for a full transition over to Markdown eventually.
zaphodikus 2018 年 12 月 26 日 下午 3:12 
I did a Google for more bbcode examples, hoped to find some pretty examples:(. The steam dialect is pretty easy to learn despite what people say about it being too advanced and I disagree. It is easier to pick up than wiki or markdown. BBCode was my first markdown and I really loved it even though I never understood the theory or origins.
But the way it lacks text control means it's impossible to quickly make a page unique and stand out slightly and create sidenotes or sidebars. But not impossible if you use tables. I am wary of tables as a tool, had enough pain with tables, they work best when you design it all in excel though. But it does work.

Too much power creates a mess. But maybe some extensions to jazz things up would be nice as a forward looking move.
Undefined 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 1:39 
Steam formatting is running on 1990s technology. For the love of God, please upgrade this crap to Markdown already.

In some ways, I'm rooting for EGS and other platforms just so Valve gets off their lazy behinds and brings its technology up to date.
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Cathulhu 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 1:42 
You mean, by not having a forum in the first place?
Undefined 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 1:58 
引用自 Cathulhu
You mean, by not having a forum in the first place?
Yes, exactly what people mean when they say to upgrade to Markdown...............
Cathulhu 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 1:59 
You are the one that implied that Valve should imitate EGS.

Oh, should they remove the shopping cart as well?
最后由 Cathulhu 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 2:00
Undefined 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 2:02 
引用自 Cathulhu
You are the one that implied that Valve should imitate EGS.

Oh, should they remove the shopping cart as well?
Quote where I said that. I didn't even imply it.

So quote where I said that or find something better to do with your time than being a troll.
最后由 Undefined 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 2:02
nullable 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 3:50 
Call us up when EGS implements a forum that uses markdown then.

I wouldn't expect to see markdown implemented until Valve overhauls the forums, and I figure that will be a few years yet. And even then, Valve may prefer BBCode and there's nothing wrong with that. They're both working solutions to giving user formatting options.

And if Valve provides some text formatting controls it would matter even less which solution they use. No one is going to have a strong opinion which is used when they just press a button to quote some text or create a list.

Well some people might still pitch a fit because their preferred technology wasn't used, but those people are just looking to be miserable IMO.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 8:49 
No.

No Markdown.

Markdown sucks.

With BBCode, the text is clear and the formatting is clear. They are very separate elements.

Markdown tries to make formatting that looks like text. As a result, it mixes formatting and text.

If you want to format something in a specific way, you can easily go outside of BBCode and use your own choice of plaintext formatting, because BBCode formatting doesn't look anything like normal text.

If you want to format something in a way that accidentally uses Markdown, you need to dance around Markdown in order to get the formatting you want.

For example: Quote blocks? You can put them in adjacent lines in BBCode. Markdown instead thinks that it's all one continuous paragraph. It's stupid.

Also, how do you do links? In HTML, you put the URL first, in a tag, and then surround the display text with that tag. You do it in the same order in BBCode. What do you do in Markdown? You put enclosers around the text, and then put the link. ...with a different set of enclosers, too. wtf is that crap
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𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 11:26 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 cinedine
"Obviously" is rather subjective. If you are used to HTML tags, BBCode is superior in terms of clarity. It also has the undeniable advantage of not accidentally format something.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Typical Reddit accidental formatting. There's not a single week I don't see it happening.

Personally, I prefer BBCODE over markdown. Simply for the fact it's semantically detached from the text instead of being mish-mashed into it. You can tell apart content from format at a glance. I can tell when 'spoiler' is a word and when is a tag.
And it's so appropriate of you to give an opinion when there are Steam rules that specifically punish us users if we argue with your opinion. Because that feels really fair and makes us like Steam mods more.
:ananas:
Sazzouu 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 11:39 
引用自 Undefined
Quote where I said that. I didn't even imply it.

You basically said EGS is superior to Steam. Since it was in the context of discussion about the design choices they've made about forums Cathulhu correctly implied that you would prefer the inexistance of a forum at all; since that is the current state of your beloved EGS
Sazzouu 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 11:43 
引用自 Snakub Plissken
I wouldn't expect to see markdown implemented until Valve overhauls the forums, and I figure that will be a few years yet. And even then, Valve may prefer BBCode and there's nothing wrong with that. They're both working solutions to giving user formatting options.

Better yet they can both be analized about their strengths and weaknesses. Markdown surely is a more lightweight design of user formatting and in many cases that would make live a lot easier such as on creating tables but for what this user forum is BBCode is the better choice as there is a lot of "colourful" texting. It is more like spoken / written text rather than Blogposting - which is what Markdown was designed for.

EDIT:
A quick example: take my last sentence. If Markdown was a thing on here it would render to this
It is more like spoken / written text rather than Blogposting
  • which is what Markdown was designed for
Thought inserts would not be possible on Markdown

EDIT2:
If you want to boil it down:
Markdown is designed for texts that are prepared already and only have to be written down easily while BBCodes are more of a fluid design feature where you can make decisions on your design just in the moment of writing a word.
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Tito Shivan 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 11:51 
引用自 EpycWyn
And it's so appropriate of you to give an opinion when there are Steam rules that specifically punish us users if we argue with your opinion. Because that feels really fair and makes us like Steam mods more.
:ananas:
You're reading the rules wrong. No one will ban you for discussing stuff.
Sazzouu 2021 年 6 月 14 日 下午 11:55 
引用自 Tito Shivan
You're reading the rules wrong. No one will ban you for discussing stuff.

Probably the language barrier hitting hard here. As the rules literally state
  • ...
  • Openly argue with a moderator
  • ...
Source: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810&l=english

"Argumenting" or "Arguing" in different languages can mean totally different things. In Germany for example if you translate this word by word that could mean as soon as you openly have a different opinion than a moderator they are allowed to punish you - which is plain bullstuff obviously. Plus what is to be defined as "arguing"?
最后由 Sazzouu 编辑于; 2021 年 6 月 15 日 上午 12:02
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2021 年 6 月 15 日 上午 1:28 
FWIW, I know some people prefer Markdown, while I kinda strongly dislike (but put up with, where I need to) Markdown and greatly prefer BBCode.

So if there's ever two options presented to the user, that could be nice. I'd stick with BBCode while other people could use Markdown.

I won't have beef with it as long as BBCode is an option. Or simply plaintext with no formatting available, frankly; I can prefer that over Markdown.
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