Family Friendly Accounts...

[Spock]

Steam really needs to make accounts more family friendly. By that I mean, I have a steam account, my wife has a steam account, and my son will have one soon. Everytime we want to get a new game and take advantage of co-op or multiplayer, I have to buy that game twice... soon to be 3 times. This is ridiculous.

It would be amazing if Steam would let you have multiple users in the same house use the same game on the same account or something. Maybe have multiple profiles that can be logged onto an account and playing on different computers at the same time.. Maybe they have to enter the same mobile authenticator key before being able to play to make sure people just sharing their account with whoever idk.. Or maybe come up with some awesome steam overlay thing where you can invite certain people to play your game with you.. idk.. Netflix lets 2 people watch on the same account at the same time in different rooms. Hulu does the same thing. Maybe something along the same lines is possible with steam and games? idk.. This would really be an excellent way to promote family time lol. I do know, that having to buy the same game multiple times to be able to play with family members in the same room is really just dumb.

To make a long argument short: I personally would spend more money on games if this was the case. If I could call a game an investment for my entire family I'm much more likely to buy it rather than spending that money elsewhere(most likely not on Steam or games at all).

And please spare me pessimists. I know, I know, it will never happen.. blah blah blah, impossible, it would be totally exploited, securities, servers, blah how dare I have a problem with spending money on the same product multiple times, blah blah blah boo, whine, pennies in a fountain, head in the clouds, blah. blah. blah. Pigs on the wing. You fart in my general direction! blah! It's a suggestion to make things better for everyone. Its not rocket science. Edit: Blah, devs only care about money!

[76561198001062896]

Except this make things better for everyone doesnt involve more profit for devs and publishers and as much as I hate to burst your bubble, they ARE in for your cash. Nothing more and nothing less

Unless you want most devs and publishers to pack their things and go, dont bother asking for an all put sharing system. Its not about being pessimistic, its about having our foot on the ground in the REAL WORLD.


And please dont use the forums if you dont like to see opinions you dont agree with.

[Spock]

引用自 Zetikla：

Except this make things better for everyone doesnt involve more profit for devs and publishers and as much as I hate to burst your bubble, they ARE in for your cash. Nothing more and nothing less

Unless you want most devs and publishers to pack their things and go, dont bother asking for an all put sharing system. Its not about being pessimistic, its about having our foot on the ground in the REAL WORLD.


And please dont use the forums if you dont like to see opinions you dont agree with.

Edited for you. :)

Oh yeah, you missed the point. Netflix could charge for each screen. So could Hulu. But they know mutliple people in the same house should be able to use the same account. Thats because TV is more of a family thing, I suppose. Gaming is heading in the same direction with gamers like myself getting older and having families... I'm not suggesting a sharing system that will have people sharing games with any random joe blow in another country. I'm suggesting something that will let people (FAMILIES) in the same house play together. And yes it is about being pessimistic. What I suggested isnt going to cause any devs to go broke. But as of now most people dont buy multiple copies of the same game to play with other people in the house. Most people buy 1 copy and game by themselves or with other people online. Again its not rocket science. Devs will still be making tons of money off of their games and the DLC.

And I'll use the forums as I please. This is a suggestion forum, its a way to make suggestions to valve. I'm not looking for your opinion and I dont care to hear your opinion. I'm not looking for your approval or any other steam users approval. And I'm not going to delete my thread because Zetikla doesnt approve.

[76561198001062896]

引用自 Spock：

引用自 Zetikla：

Except this make things better for everyone doesnt involve more profit for devs and publishers and as much as I hate to burst your bubble, they ARE in for your cash. Nothing more and nothing less

Unless you want most devs and publishers to pack their things and go, dont bother asking for an all put sharing system. Its not about being pessimistic, its about having our foot on the ground in the REAL WORLD.


And please dont use the forums if you dont like to see opinions you dont agree with.

Edited for you. :)

Oh yeah, you missed the point. Netflix could charge for each screen. So could Hulu. But they know mutliple people in the same house should be able to use the same account. Thats because TV is more of a family thing, I suppose. Gaming is heading in the same direction with gamers like myself getting older and having families... I'm not suggesting a sharing system that will have people sharing games with any random joe blow in another country. I'm suggesting something that will let people (FAMILIES) in the same house play together. And yes it is about being pessimistic. What I suggested isnt going to cause any devs to go broke. But as of now most people dont buy multiple copies of the same game to play with other people in the house. Most people buy 1 copy and game by themselves or with other people online. Again its not rocket science. Devs will still be making tons of money off of their games and the DLC.

And I'll use the forums as I please. This is a suggestion forum, its a way to make suggestions to valve. I'm not looking for your opinion and I dont care to hear your opinion. I'm not looking for your approval or any other steam users approval. And I'm not going to delete my thread because Zetikla doesnt approve.

Waay to miss the point i was trying to make

Also i highly recommend you to watch this video to give you a rough idea as to why devs and publishers are actively trying to cut down on things that despite popular belief only makes them lose cash:
https://youtu.be/2G_f8YBy39M

Ever wondered why steam can afford to offer such discounts and sales? Thats because theres a tight control on the way you can use your games

You know the old adagio: be careful what you wish for as you can bet that devs and publishers would have their word on such matter which would end up hurting the end users.

What agreent Netflix or other service may have with copyright owners is a different story, as the music/tv/video game industries are completely different things.

TL;DR Theres no incentive for neither publishers or devs to allow individual livenses to be used by multiple people at the same time when they can get them to buy separate licenses per users.

Theres no such thing as making enough money when you can make more and you are fooling yourself if you think these companies would be willing to undercut their profit margins


If you dont care about others opinion you should probably make a blog. Its just that i dont get it when ppl want to use the forums as their own personal soapbox

[Spock]

引用自 Zetikla：

Ever wondered why steam can afford to offer such discounts and sales? Thats because theres a tight control on the way you can use your games

You know the old adagio: be careful what you wish for as you can bet that devs and publishers would have their word on such matter which would end up hurting the end users.

Yup I'm sure they would. And then they could decide if they want to have their game sold on Steam or not.. Which I'm guessing they do.. And yeah devs really try to cut down on piracy and all that mess that makes them lose a lot of money. They also like to make money too. You know I probably would have bought Rainbow Six Siege, The Division, Total War Warhammer(got it now from HB), some older COD(I hate COD but wife likes the zombie multiplayer games) titles, and A TON of other games on release day at full price. Heck I probably would have preordered some. But I refrain from buying A LOT of titles simply because I know I cannot afford to buy it twice. And when my son gets old enough to play with us.. I'll be buying even less.

Funny enough some places manage to make things happen that doesnt make them any money at all. They do it maybe because they believe it will make them money in the future, gain fans, maintain a reputation, out of respect.. who knows? EA gives away free games all the time on Origin, they're giving away Mass Effect 2 right now(or were not sure now). Some devs like Egosoft actively continue updating games LONG (years) after they are dead and forgotton. Its not always as cut and dry as you think.

[Darren]

Are you really buying less though? In the end I assume you are spending the same amount of money it is just focussed on a smaller section of games (because you buy multiple copies). You have fewer unique titles for your money and the publishers are okay with that they will get your three purchases on the next game or the one after that.

If you weren't so much into multiplayer I would suggest family sharing and splitting the games up a bit and only buying multiple copies of games you actually will play together often.

[76561198001062896]

引用自 Spock：

引用自 Zetikla：

Ever wondered why steam can afford to offer such discounts and sales? Thats because theres a tight control on the way you can use your games

You know the old adagio: be careful what you wish for as you can bet that devs and publishers would have their word on such matter which would end up hurting the end users.

Yup I'm sure they would. And then they could decide if they want to have their game sold on Steam or not.. Which I'm guessing they do.. And yeah devs really try to cut down on piracy and all that mess that makes them lose a lot of money. They also like to make money too. You know I probably would have bought Rainbow Six Siege, The Division, Total War Warhammer(got it now from HB), some older COD(I hate COD but wife likes the zombie multiplayer games) titles, and A TON of other games on release day at full price. Heck I probably would have preordered some. But I refrain from buying A LOT of titles simply because I know I cannot afford to buy it twice. And when my son gets old enough to play with us.. I'll be buying even less.

Funny enough some places manage to make things happen that doesnt make them any money at all. They do it maybe because they believe it will make them money in the future, gain fans, maintain a reputation, out of respect.. who knows? EA gives away free games all the time on Origin, they're giving away Mass Effect 2 right now(or were not sure now). Some devs like Egosoft actively continue updating games LONG (years) after they are dead and forgotton. Its not always as cut and dry as you think.

EA is trying to save face after the multiple ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they had, nothing surprising about that

[Gwarsbane]

EA gives away their own games, that are many years old and not making much money anymore. They also don't have 150 million active accounts, over 300 million accounts total and its also only EA games on Origin, they don't have to deal with 3rd party devs/publishers for games they don't own.

Many of EA's games are removed from the multiplayer server to save them money, so all you're stuck with is a single player game... thats if you are lucky, in some cases they are giving away free multiplayer games.... that have no or virtually no single player and the multiplayer servers have been shut down.

[Spock]

引用自 Darren：

Are you really buying less though? In the end I assume you are spending the same amount of money it is just focussed on a smaller section of games (because you buy multiple copies). You have fewer unique titles for your money and the publishers are okay with that they will get your three purchases on the next game or the one after that.

If you weren't so much into multiplayer I would suggest family sharing and splitting the games up a bit and only buying multiple copies of games you actually will play together often.

I'm actually not into multiplayer much at all by myself, my wife on the other hand... only plays multiplayer and she only plays with me. She doesnt game as much as I do though.

But yes I am actually buying less from Steam, see when I have extra money that money doesnt have to go to Steam. There is a whole world out there full of other things to spend money on... I like to get more for my money. It really irks me and makes me feel like I'm waisting money to buy the same game multiple times. If I have $120 extra, I could afford to buy 2 copies of the same $60 game. Or I could buy 2 different games or a lot of cheaper games. Or I could just not buy any games at all and take my wife out to dinner and a movie. Or I could just use that money for a few good dinners at home. Or maybe I'll do an early oil chang on my car. The least likely to happen out of all of these is buying 2 copies of the same game. And also least likely is me spending that entire $120 on just games. But if I knew that me and my wife could both enjoy all of those games I spent all that money on... I would be much more willing to put that money towards them. Instead I dont buy the same game twice unless it just looks amazing or has crazy good reviews. I have to know that game is going to give us enough play time to be worth the extra money I have to spend on it. As of now I dont preorder games even for just me, I dont ever buy games at full price. I rarely buy games outside of bundles. I do that because I feel like gaming is a personal thing, I feel a little greedy/selfish if I go spending tons of money on games that I only play by myself... etc. I would definitely spend a lot more if it wasnt just for me.

[Spock]

引用自 Gwarsbane：

EA gives away their own games, that are many years old and not making much money anymore. They also don't have 150 million active accounts, over 300 million accounts total and its also only EA games on Origin, they don't have to deal with 3rd party devs/publishers for games they don't own.

Many of EA's games are removed from the multiplayer server to save them money, so all you're stuck with is a single player game... thats if you are lucky, in some cases they are giving away free multiplayer games.... that have no or virtually no single player and the multiplayer servers have been shut down.

I didnt bring up EA to say they are giving away other peoples games or whatever.. I just brought them up to say that they give away games... period. They lose money by doing so. Mass Effect 2 is widely considered one of the best games ever. Anyone that had never played it probably really wanted to and may have eventually bought it. They gave away Dragon Age: Origins as well. My point is they dont have to. They dont have to do it to save face either. Battlefield is a hell of a game.. Mass Effect, Crysis, etc.. people love those games and they are going to buy them.

I brought up Egosoft because they still somewhat regularly update X3 and it was released in 2009.. They dont have to.. but they do. My point is that its not all as cut and dry as it seems.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Spock：

Steam really needs to make accounts more family friendly. By that I mean, I have a steam account, my wife has a steam account, and my son will have one soon. Everytime we want to get a new game and take advantage of co-op or multiplayer, I have to buy that game twice... soon to be 3 times. This is ridiculous.

That's the world for you. YOu alwant to eat aan apple, you're basically gonna have to buy 3 apples. The reason Steam does it this way is simple. Because they know otherwise, , more than a few gamers will simply set up rental shops. Which basically means one person buys, and 100 people play.. That's not good business for the people that actually make or sell the games.

[76561198001062896]

引用自 󠀠：

TLDR;

引用自 Spock：

Edit: Blah, devs only care about money!

But I have my own PC and Vive, wife has own PC and Vive, soon my son has own PC and VIve. I can't afford more PC games! j/k

Steam Family Share is not perfect. Share with Big Picture Mode and Family View PIN your accounts so that changes cannot be made to accounts without a PIN.

Off-line mode, multiple Steam Accounts share. And I know poeple can say it is against SSA, but w/e in a family environment Valve is not going to stop it.

But ya greedy developers (giving away many free games) have to be the ones to want to add things like co-op and or true game share, invite. DRM FREE?

And watch for those sales.
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FYI the offline mode exploit was patched long ago

I know because I tested it not long ago with the shared library of my partner and it doesnt let me play any of his games.

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Not gonna happen, Valve will lose money over this and I doubt it'll be a small amount.

[Spawn of Totoro]

One license, one user. That isn't going to change.

I buy 3x multiplayer games if my family and I are going to play. We have no issues doing so and still consider it family friendly. If we have to wait for a sale to do so, then we will. We still have no issues doing it. Heck, we even own 8 copies of Minecraft between three computers (4 copies), two consoles and two tablets.

Nexflix used to allow up to 4 devices to be active at the same time. They have changed that to two devices and if you want 4, you have to pay extra. Not much of a diffrence between that and having to purchase multiple game copies, so Nextflix isn't really a good example.

Origin owns the games it gives away, so they have more freedom to do so. They are often older games and games with a sequel coming up, so it promotes the sale of the next games. That is marketing, not being customer friendly. It is done to increase sales, nothing more.

Valve owns far less then 1% of the games on Steam. They have little they can give away. Developer can give away games if they wish and there are a lot that have ove the years, though there is no single page to check out in order find them. There are also a large amount of free to play games available.

[Darren]

Also probably good to note that Valve has given away games for free from time to time (L4D2 was free at one point) plus some developers have also given their game away free (Amnesia was free for a day). They are rarities but they do happen every now and then (usually older games near the release of a new one).

[Start_Running]

引用自 Spawn Of Totoro：

Nexflix used to allow up to 4 devices to be active at the same time. They have changed that to two devices and if you want 4, you have to pay extra. Not much of a diffrence between that and having to purchase multiple game copies, so Nextflix isn't really a good example.

Wait. Let's use the Netflix exammple.

Netflix has 3 packages:
1 Screen - 7.99
2 Screens- 9.99
4 Screens - 11.99

The price for 2 screens is roughly base+27%
The price for 4 screens is base+56%

Now keep in mind. Netflix is not selling you individual titles and really you have no say in what content is available at any given time. There is 0 permanence. YOu can have Flash this month and it can be gone next month. Your monthly fee will remain the same regardless.

You are paying for Access to Netflix itself.


COmpare to Steam. You are not paying to access Steam, you are paying to use licenses on your steam account and there is some permanence. If You buy a game now and it gets pulled from the store you still retain the game.

If STeam were to adopt a similar business modell you would essentially wind up buying a game and then paying up to 50% more to have it accessible to multiple screens, but the same game could at any point vanish from your librar, leaving you with nothing.

You see where these business models diverge and why they don't work out.

Origin owns the games it gives away, so they have more freedom to do so. They are often older games and games with a sequel coming up, so it promotes the sale of the next games. That is marketing, not being customer friendly. It is done to increase sales, nothing more.

Bingo. It's called Loss :Leading. YOu use a cheap item to increase the chance of someone purchasing an expensive item. These are also usually products that are poor sellers or due to expire.