Is reporting sufficient for racism texts/profile pictures?

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Dat Apple 17 mar, 2013 @ 2:14

Hi all,

yesterday, I encountered a user whose profile pictures clearly states a racism background. Not only does it show a mass murderer, but also does the person do the ♥♥♥♥ salute.

I've reported him after the match via his profile page.
But I've read here (using the search function) that this reporting won't have any effects thus one should write to a mod directly.
Here is the post I've found (in German): http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/24/882966056422384036/#c882966056434867515

Is that true? If yes, could somebody name me a mod, please? I can't tolerate such persons -.-.

Regards
mrbischoff

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 KARR™ 17 mar, 2013 @ 3:54

Report it and then don't go back to his profile! If you don't go looking for him, the chances of running across him by accident are infinitesimal. (or block him)

Tito Shivan 17 mar, 2013 @ 5:17

You are not the only one reporting things here. We are 6 million Steam Users.
Also Reports are reviewed by Valve staff before taking action. Which is better than using automated systems that always catch up innocents in the firefight.

Spawn of Totoro 17 mar, 2013 @ 6:49

In the link, it shows Bart Simpson under water (naked, but nothing is showing). So your report may have gone through.
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Ursprungligen skrivet av H0L_UK:
As far as I know, being, or showing support for such things, isn't exactly illegal. And I am sure there is nothing in whatever agreements we have with STEAM that states that such things is a definate no no. All STEAM is concerned about is that everyone gets on, plays nicely, co-operates with and respects each other. So unless you yourself have been personally abused, threatened or insulted by this individual. I doubt that there is anything that can be done. You'll probably just have to buck up and tolerate whatever it is that you see as so intolerable. That's just how it is.. It's the nature of freedom.

Offensive imagry and even text is against is agaisnt the rules. So ♥♥♥♥ imagry is agaisnt the rules.

Freedom of speach only applies to the government. These are private forums owned by, and subject to, Valves's and Steam's policies.

Senast ändrad av Spawn of Totoro; 17 mar, 2013 @ 6:49

Mivo 17 mar, 2013 @ 9:33

Ursprungligen skrivet av H0L_UK:
As far as I know, being, or showing support for such things, isn't exactly illegal.

In Germany and various other countries it is, in the US it isn't. Valve's legal responsibility only requires them to remove such context from viewers who are from the affected countries, if it has been reported. It is likely easier to remove the offensive content in general.

But legal stuff aside, the content was likely added to upset others and to be offensive, so it may be a sound business decision to remove it simply for the negative intent, regardless of any other aspects.

Dat Apple 17 mar, 2013 @ 10:47

Ursprungligen skrivet av Spawn of Totoro:
In the link, it shows Bart Simpson under water (naked, but nothing is showing). So your report may have gone through.

The link I provided was to cite someone who said that reporting doesn't do anything in most cases.
I won't post the original profile link/image here publicly.

Ursprungligen skrivet av H0L_UK:
All STEAM is concerned about is that everyone [...] respects each other.

If one image shows that the person is discriminatory against people of a specific nation, religion or whatever, then this is definitely not respectful.

Ursprungligen skrivet av H0L_UK:
That's just how it is.. It's the nature of freedom.

In my opionion, freedom is only free if it doesn't affect other 'freedoms'. This is of course not always possible, but I think you get what I mean.

To make it clear: I am someone who doesn't want to support (i.e. let such persons use such profile pictures) those people. If reporting (and hoping for a mod to take action) is all I can do, then I've done my part.

BTW, I was once in a lobby where some people called me a ♥♥♥♥ via voice chat. Now, is that enough offense @H0L_UK?

Roughshod 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:14

I hope you can't vote whereever you are. If imagery is offensive to you, don't look at it. Just because you get butt hurt over a symbol which in other circumstances has been used for thousands of years, I'm afraid you just come off a little petty.

Senast ändrad av Roughshod; 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:16

Silv3r9 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:32

Ursprungligen skrivet av A_o:
I hope you can't vote whereever you are. If imagery is offensive to you, don't look at it. Just because you get butt hurt over a symbol which in other circumstances has been used for thousands of years, I'm afraid you just come off a little petty.

Your reply & troll directed at the OP is as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle.

Steam rules are clear:

What images can I upload as my avatar?

You may upload any image as long as it is not offensive, vulgar, or specifically prohibited in the Steam Online Conduct rules. Your avatar may be removed and you may be banned from the Steam Community if your avatar is inappropriate.

So basically OP all you can do is report and wait.

Roughshod 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:35

cry cry cry That's what it's all about. Whoa is me, I saw a picture of something and now I'm going to have to pay for extra counseling sessions. What has the wolrd come to?

Dat Apple 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:52

Ursprungligen skrivet av A_o:
I hope you can't vote whereever you are. If imagery is offensive to you, don't look at it. Just because you get butt hurt over a symbol which in other circumstances has been used for thousands of years, I'm afraid you just come off a little petty.

Which symbol are you referring to? I've never said something of a symbol on the picture.
I've described all things in my first post!

Ursprungligen skrivet av Silv3r9:
Ursprungligen skrivet av from A_o:
Your reply & troll directed at the OP is as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
Nothing to add here, thanks man.
@A_o: And better don't reply if your text doesn't answer my question!

Ursprungligen skrivet av Silv3r9:
So basically OP all you can do is report and wait.
That is finally a correct answer! Thanks a lot.

I think this thread should be closed, now.

Senast ändrad av Dat Apple; 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:54

LoTekRabbit 17 mar, 2013 @ 11:57

Ursprungligen skrivet av A_o:
cry cry cry That's what it's all about. Whoa is me, I saw a picture of something and now I'm going to have to pay for extra counseling sessions. What has the wolrd come to?

I don't know what the world has come to man. But I can say that you are part of the problem.

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Mivo 17 mar, 2013 @ 16:40

Ursprungligen skrivet av A_o:
cry cry cry That's what it's all about. Whoa is me, I saw a picture of something and now I'm going to have to pay for extra counseling sessions. What has the wolrd come to?

It is "woe", not "woah". Poor education and lack of maturity often seem to go hand in hand with racism, at least today.

It is simple: Unlike in the 1930s, people now are aware of the dangers of racism, fascism and antisemitism. There are six million Jews, and millions of others, who lost their lives because people were not aware, not "offended" enough when it was still only words and slogans, not willing to speak up, and did not have the courage to oppose bullies who sounded just as rude, forceful and polemical (in that Stammtisch-kind of way) like you do.

If racists and fascists came into power again, the very freedom they now seem to so value when it comes to spouting their drivel, would be the first thing to go. That is why they don't deserve it.

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Roughshod 17 mar, 2013 @ 16:51

And now I'm a racist because I believe that a picture is incapable of infringing on someone else's freedoms? Sorry, if I didn't remember how to spell "woe.": I do have a Bachelor's Degree, served in the Army, and have been on every continent except Antarctica. This is about playing video games, if you're so invested in a picture in someone's profile don't look at it, it's simple. I'm done here.

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Mivo 17 mar, 2013 @ 17:01

I said, "sounded as ... like you do". I don't know *you*. I referred to the style of verbal attacking that you employed.

It isn't about the pictures themselves. It is about their message and the "how" and "why" they are used. It is the intent that matters. "Looking away" was and still is part of the problem.

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