Why i cant write an Review for a Demo?

[TheGamer]

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[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Laumania ApS:

I came here as I was looking for how to view these reviews of a Steam demo - as I have reviews on my demo, but couldn't find a way to view them.

I couldn't find anything, so created this little video in case others runs into this problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YSyIG0Ymgk

For your game you created?

With your dev account request to join... https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks

And ask in their discussions.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Laumania ApS:

Początkowo opublikowane przez cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

For your game you created?

With your dev account request to join... https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks

And ask in their discussions.

You clearly haven't seen the video :)
Yes, I discovered this due to my own demo, but I'm guessing other runs into the same and end up here like I did.
The discussion in the thread goes on about if you can/can't should/shouldn't write reviews on demo - and here I'm just showing you that it happens, even here in feb. 2020 and then I share a way to way to view them.

I HAVE been in contact with Steam support and they say players shouldn't be able to review a demo - but recongnized that they can see some players can.
So, therefore, there is no official UI in Steamworks to see these reviews - why I found this other way of seeing them.
I show in the video how you find the right id's so other devs can do the same for their demo.

You have a nice weekend too :)

You should have posted in the Steamworks group discussions.

"Users" here are NOT game devs. You are the only game dev here.

[AustrAlien2010]

You can. You just can't post it on Steam, because the system does not have that option.
If you want to give them feedback, you can always send them an e-mail containing your review.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AustrAlien2010:

You can. You just can't post it on Steam, because the system does not have that option.
If you want to give them feedback, you can always send them an e-mail containing your review.

User necro'd the thread.

[mimizukari]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TheGamer:

I wanted to give the Devs feedback for improvement, and my feedback for this demo.
so the dev can improve the game/demo and thats good.

Demos are often not indicative of the final product of the game, things change and often times demos are made to be fully standalone from the game and don't even receive the updates the main game does... The full game could already meet your expectations/have the bugs fixed/etc.

[JustJinxed]

I'm going to bounce this alive, because this is an absolute travesty, a lot of indie games are giving away copies for free for positive reviews, and then allowing demo play, but steam isn't allowing user feedback on these, even though if they did, the ratings would drop dramatically from it.

No, there's obviously some cases where the demo IS the full version, given for a limited time to the steam community and should be subject to reviews as "free copy".

And honestly I shouldn't have to BUY the game, just so my voice can be heard, and then request a refund.

[LoneWolf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Laumania ApS:

You clearly haven't seen the video :)
Yes, I discovered this due to my own demo, but I'm guessing other runs into the same and end up here like I did.
The discussion in the thread goes on about if you can/can't should/shouldn't write reviews on demo - and here I'm just showing you that it happens, even here in feb. 2020 and then I share a way to way to view them.

I HAVE been in contact with Steam support and they say players shouldn't be able to review a demo - but recongnized that they can see some players can.
So, therefore, there is no official UI in Steamworks to see these reviews - why I found this other way of seeing them.
I show in the video how you find the right id's so other devs can do the same for their demo.

You have a nice weekend too :)

You should have posted in the Steamworks group discussions.

"Users" here are NOT game devs. You are the only game dev here.

:qr:

I have just checked your game and there are no reviews. Did steam disable the functionality or what exactly happened?

[LoneWolf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez JustJinxed:

I'm going to bounce this alive, because this is an absolute travesty, a lot of indie games are giving away copies for free for positive reviews, and then allowing demo play, but steam isn't allowing user feedback on these, even though if they did, the ratings would drop dramatically from it.

No, there's obviously some cases where the demo IS the full version, given for a limited time to the steam community and should be subject to reviews as "free copy".

And honestly I shouldn't have to BUY the game, just so my voice can be heard, and then request a refund.

So steam is officially not allowing users to write a review and there are no glitches as few people mentioned previously. Is that right?

[Laumania ApS]

Początkowo opublikowane przez LoneWolf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

You should have posted in the Steamworks group discussions.

"Users" here are NOT game devs. You are the only game dev here.

:qr:

I have just checked your game and there are no reviews. Did steam disable the functionality or what exactly happened?

I was never able to see the actual reviews on the game, only in the overview I could see a number for the amount of reviews.
I then figured out how I could see them via an API. Check out the video I linked to - HOWEVER - I think Steam have fixed this since, as I haven't seen any new reviews for a while and the API seem to not show me them anymore when I do as I show in the video.

So yes, there must have been a glitch back then, so some players could review the demo - but it seems fixed now.

[JustJinxed]

Początkowo opublikowane przez LoneWolf:

So steam is officially not allowing users to write a review and there are no glitches as few people mentioned previously. Is that right?

I'm not sure I was having the same problem as Laumania ApS. I've always been able to read reviews, and make reviews on the Steam Store Page for products I bought and own. The trouble is shady projects that go on demo, aren't getting the feedback they deserve.

Let's do a for instance (and I'm sorry Second Second for calling you out as an example) these demo cases I'm talking about, utilize the same page and ID as their actual release
counterparts.

IE: if you search for "Second Second Demo" or "Second Second", both results take you to: https://store.steampowered.com/app/918430/Second_Second/

People who downloaded the free demo and played, are unable review it on the Steam Store Page. I won't bash on this creator too much, it seems to be a systemic problem with Steam that enables this to happen. But you can tell there's fake advertising reviews, and a good number of people who bought and refunded the product because the gameplay was nothing like what some of these reviews claimed, and they wanted to warn others.

Often the Forums, Patch Notes, etc become deadzones devoid of devs. Patches that claim improvements are actually just small number numerical changes or flat out disabling and re-enabling features.

It kind of sucks when you run into projects like this. Very few people who are honestly playing the game, are being allowed a voice to describe its content. And you have to risk your refund being denied, just to get something in the reviews pointing out how shady the project is being. Short of going third party, there isn't much recourse. And sometimes fly by night developers even manage to adbot inflate those numbers.

[48 kg kid Daniel.]

ok

[KutarFOX]

I don't know how analytics has changed and what its implications are for devs but I just wanted to let you know that you can still write a review for game demos.

Please check out the guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2178263803

I hope this will help you.

[shbouwhuis]

The guide you linked to says this at the start:

"Yep. Valve ruined it. Methods here don't work anymore. Sorry to disappoint you as this guide is no more valid. Walk away and in the meantime blame Valve for limiting our user freedom."

It's a shame as I wanted to leave feedback for the game devs because I was between a thumbs up and thumbs down, but don't want to buy and then refund the game just to help them out.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez shbouwhuis:

The guide you linked to says this at the start:

"Yep. Valve ruined it. Methods here don't work anymore. Sorry to disappoint you as this guide is no more valid. Walk away and in the meantime blame Valve for limiting our user freedom."

It's a shame as I wanted to leave feedback for the game devs because I was between a thumbs up and thumbs down, but don't want to buy and then refund the game just to help them out.

Post feedback in their game hub. That's what it's for.

[Mash💀]

I'm on OP's side with this one...

Why shouldn't I be allowed to write a review for a demo that sucked?

Just tried the demo for Non Stop Driver, it has no wheel support and I want to spread the word