Limiting download limits 'network' limiting storage drives / installs

[^4JB^7L^1ZR]

I have 1000 mb connection downloading at 112 mb/s maximum, when I limit my download to even 100 it also severely limits my install speeds of my disk.

I got from over 700 mb/s disk usage to low 100s and download/install goes from sub 30 minutes to 2 hours and 30 minutes.

Can anyone provide any insight on why this might be happening, I have not noticed this previously but I have a Gen 4 NVME that can do 7000/7000 and has Dram / TLC 232 and was expecting a more reliable download and install.

I tried this limiting download to 50mb/s70/90/100 and all the same result being over 5 times slower than uncapping which seems a 10% increase in download speed and 5 times increase in install speed.

Thanks!

[bald0tekz]

The limit apparently applies to disk usage, too, which is pretty counter intuitive.
I just downloaded "Thief Simulator", which apparently gains a lot of size by decompressing the download.

So while I was downloading at just 7 to 8 MB a second, my disk was reaching 22 MB a second write speed, which was the download speed limit I've set.

I removed the limit and everything sped up significantly... I really think the limit should not apply to disk write speed, or at least we should get a separate setting for it.

[bald0tekz]

This seems to have been fixed, actually?

[^4JB^7L^1ZR]

Originally posted by bald0tekz:

This seems to have been fixed, actually?

Cheers, I will see if it works on my end and reply again.

[^4JB^7L^1ZR]

Originally posted by bald0tekz:

This seems to have been fixed, actually?

Not fixed for me, I am downloading at 40% capacity on Steam right now and 40% on EA App. Steam says 5 hours, EA App will be done in 20 minutes, roughly same size download/install.

[Iceira]

Ask your AUS ISP, aus is special. you only have to look at a map.

Your change steam dl zone to what, still same junction you might have to go though, your ISP know this cable and next door neighbour country. i did not say this is the problem but compare to other country with multi direction it is.

You might take such for granted, or forget how such detail matter, and only own ISP can outrule traffic issue atm.

[Iceira]

Originally posted by ^4JB^7L^1ZR:

Originally posted by Iceira:

Ask your AUS ISP, aus is special. you only have to look at a map.

Your change steam dl zone to what, still same junction you might have to go though, your ISP know this cable and next door neighbour country. i did not say this is the problem but compare to other country with multi direction it is.

You might take such for granted, or forget how such detail matter, and only own ISP can outrule traffic issue atm.

I am not sure how this is related to our discussion on install speeds when capping download speeds.

I am with Superloop and get 980+/51 on average almost 24/7 and my Steam is always on Sydney and never moves. I appreciate the input and concern.

ask your ISP for any internet traffic issue have a nice day.
if you have a weak pc that cant keep up thats, not a steam issue or ISP.

[Iceira]

Originally posted by ^4JB^7L^1ZR:

Originally posted by Iceira:

ask your ISP for any internet traffic issue have a nice day.

You are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot, have a nice day.

so are you , to many stema user dont not get it they think they can get away with own crappy pc, and then blaim all other for things they, test it with spare pc. rest is ISP problem can they deliver the things you paid for., ( steam, is a data center, and there has been steam user with 10g and 50g even and steam serrver was not the problem. )

So then you learn this that mean its a your pc issue and own ISP, steam data center, we doubt it here.

ppl complain over it then we had 10mbit 100mbit 1000mbit , and you know what has change nothing, steam is not the problem with speed they upgrade down the road and as fare as i know no ISP has ever caught steam for not could keep up, someday that might happend.

And i and other is only steam user here.

ps.
So yes this is fix your pc issue or talk with own ISP about traffic issue, there is no other that deal with it.

Your storage issue and and own pc issue, you bought it, buy better for highend pc that can recive and process the data fast enough. ( stoip buying cheep pc that is what you have im sure off this. ) feel free to test with a pc that fast eough and can deal with incoming data. )

You think we other do not know this, we had raid disk in the old days with slow HHD because we could not afford SSD thats was so expensive.

Go ahaead find a tech dude in AUS that actual can put you in place and deal with all them issue you have , he will not be gentle as i am. ( to many pc user have device that cant keep up with DL aand decompress data fast enough. )

[Iceira]

Your own limitation setup, you have no clue in what you are doing. (is this not a miss guide user that do own setting and then do not get why things go wrong. ) not even steam will tell you what you are doing is so wrong in so many ways.

you only set limitation then WAN lins is so fast and pc cant keep up , oops was this not what i just said , weak crappy pc that line wan line can do such,

you learn such then you have been in places that can flooding a server. or way to many user that almost can request to many things and server start cue up.



and we are back at get a tech dude from aus that know how to build pc that can handle incoming 1gbit traffic.

ps.
and dont come here with firmware isue or cable issue or other excuess, with things not working, thats a local issue. ( even your ISP will not care about.not a ISP problem is it. )

There is 1. steam in other end 2 ISP and there partners 3 pc user own internal issue

pick one there is no other here.


just wait to you get it. or other dare tell you this.

2 hours and 30 minutes, look like 30 years ago with modem age.
NO modem pc that work as it should and have plenty of free space will be that slow ever.


You cant use excuess with SSD issue or write behind cache issue, it will buff up that data and your pc try handle it

Your issue eith with your limitation and whatever it is you are doing at that pc.
not even write behind cache enable should be 2 hours and 30 minutes.

[Iceira]

Dont come here with BIOS not update chipset driver not update,a nd same goes with routers firmware even that is not a Steam issue or ISP. . so yeeah fix your pc issue. get a aus tech dude to look at it, if you cant figure it out.

i bet he will even test your connection with spare laptop and check DL speed.

[Elucidator]

Originally posted by ^4JB^7L^1ZR:

I have 1000 mb connection downloading at 112 mb/s maximum, when I limit my download to even 100 it also severely limits my install speeds of my disk.

You should report that as a bug to Steam Support or here:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/0/

[Iceira]

Thats what he dont get either steam has a issue or hes isp has it, or hes own end.

He done nothing in test this. ( and have not learn who is resposible for each border edge here.

a spare pc in the wallplug will either confrim where the issue is, hes ISP will know such faulty finding, and so will a tech dude downthere.

[Elucidator]

Maybe some info (my thoughts):

I am guessing it has to do with Windows 'power saving'.
"Oh, its using less power, so.. now this too can use less power" basically. It probably has something to do with each download being executed as a background process by a background process, rather than by the user. Steam uses weird tricks. Basically the Steam Client Service is the one that runs the download process, rather than the user. They could easily switch this task to Chromium (which is Steam's internal browser), which can do downloading and there are other options of course, yet they... use this questionable method.

The Steam Client Service is launched as a background task and hacks itself to SYSTEM (previllage escalation) using code that is normally used by a virus (or hacker). This falls outside of user reach (administrator and user) as such.
Windows has special flags set for SYSTEM. Basically, it will prioritize user activity, unless it is a Windows or Microsoft file asking for resources. Microsoft prioritizes itself above the user.

You could maybe mitigate the issues you have with specific settings on the device drivers involved and within your power settings (all related to green power / power saving I mean). I am thinking about the Power Management Plan, Core parking, etc.

I think however that it is a bug caused by Steam / Valve and so they should fix it.

In case you want to try and mitigate it, go to Hardware Monitor, and look at the Network Interface driver. Under the advanced tab, you can find various options you could change, which changes the behavior.
You could disable any power saving settings you notice there.
And do the same with the CPU. ... and with your other hardware. (SSD, etc.)

[Iceira]

Yeah but if you know how a ISP will look at this and same will steam, if line is fine and work on spare pc, you already busted yourself, and thats the point here, now steam user know my pc and whatever setting i have is the cause, then it work on other test pc.

Thats the problem here, ppl do not understand i and other see pc's just as units on the network
and then other units work, well rest is logic here.

ps
This mean a local pc issue , and list is long just like Elucidator point out and i could also add 2-3 page with what if this and that.

And thats why you cant hide with a things you did not updated or tested for even bad drev cable. ( and the user setting you did with limitations, user own option is the worst if tech dude have no idea you did this. ) if you get help with it.


Turn off your limitation if you make mistake in kbits value, then its user own problem and can cost you dearly. if lets say ISP technician can proof line is working , and i doubt they will touch hes pc, why will he do that then he can test line with own service laptop.

And we are back at a pc is just a unit we other replace asap, and not myy problem that is local T department own problem, anfd technicaly not a ISP problem. this is fact.

I and other might help with custom approval to look fast for the eeor while we shutdown own gear..

Done that so many times that its like backbone, any technician will learn this over time, its not rocket seience.

and spare pc can be a fast clue where things come from, my pc or ISP or and steam in other end.

[^4JB^7L^1ZR]

Originally posted by Elucidator:

Maybe some info (my thoughts):

I am guessing it has to do with Windows 'power saving'.
"Oh, its using less power, so.. now this too can use less power" basically. It probably has something to do with each download being executed as a background process by a background process, rather than by the user. Steam uses weird tricks. Basically the Steam Client Service is the one that runs the download process, rather than the user. They could easily switch this task to Chromium (which is Steam's internal browser), which can do downloading and there are other options of course, yet they... use this questionable method.

The Steam Client Service is launched as a background task and hacks itself to SYSTEM (previllage escalation) using code that is normally used by a virus (or hacker). This falls outside of user reach (administrator and user) as such.
Windows has special flags set for SYSTEM. Basically, it will prioritize user activity, unless it is a Windows or Microsoft file asking for resources. Microsoft prioritizes itself above the user.

You could maybe mitigate the issues you have with specific settings on the device drivers involved and within your power settings (all related to green power / power saving I mean). I am thinking about the Power Management Plan, Core parking, etc.

I think however that it is a bug caused by Steam / Valve and so they should fix it.

In case you want to try and mitigate it, go to Hardware Monitor, and look at the Network Interface driver. Under the advanced tab, you can find various options you could change, which changes the behavior.
You could disable any power saving settings you notice there.
And do the same with the CPU. ... and with your other hardware. (SSD, etc.)

I will take a look and see what I can manage, there is definitely a setting that is communicating between Steam and my PC and managing resources.

I did not notice this before and generally use balanced because high performance doesn't allow your GPU to run at a low watt (20-30 watts) and just continues to run at 150 watts or so even when not gaming.
I have reformatted recently so if it is a single setting somewhere it will be quite hard to identify but at least you point out a good indication with power settings, there are plenty of disk drive settings there and a few I generally turn off.

Thanks

[Iceira]

Yeah and thats the problem here , you have accepted MS windows settings as default , because past OS also have them, that not how i and other see things here. you can find many post with i and other have said use Full perfomance or whatever they call it now Ultimate performance i have in mine now. ( thats still a user settings you accepted. ) you might not like my reply, fare enough but you accept MS settings on it. and did not read what they say or have forgot them.

ps.
what prevent a laptop user in max power saveing with no cord to charge up, and still complain over steam DL, if you want me to throw more worst case senarion in then say so, go idle after 1 minuet and well i better stop here.